The bradford factor

[iandouglas]

I AM HOPPING MAD.
Got dragged in today for a bollocking because i had a day of sick last month.
they are operating this bradford factor.
I had one day of last November due to medication change (the doctor put me on a tablet to reduce the fat content in my blood).
Result was a day sat on the loo.:doh
Christmas i had this flue thing I rang in to say i wouldnt be in that day I was told have the rest of the week off . (three days in total).
so thats five days in total that I have had off in 2.5 years.
have now got a score of 45 and cannot have a day of sick till November.
IF I AM ILL AGAIN I was advised to book a days HOLIDAY rather than sick.
how can you be on holiday if you are sick.:confused:

[jace]

cheeky buggers,how are you suposed not to get ill? not asif you want ot be ill!

[zippy656]

id just go in to make the bosses all ill..

[iandouglas]

We employ a lot of polish workers some are good some are not and have time of at drop of a hat. (so do some of our british workers):eek:.
We have an attendance bonus if you turn up for work and then say sorry not well will have to go home you didnt loose your bonus.:doh
now they want you to stay 2.5 hours to see if you get better.
I am wondering if this bradford factor has been brought in to weed the dossers out.

[makeitfit]

As a self employed fool, I've never had a day off sick:o
Even when I had my hernia opp I was back in the next day:doh
Mind you I did drink a lot more tea that day:lol and I had a friend to drive me to work for a few days. I lay in the back of the van and was delivered to work like Count Dracule:sly

[jims-terrano]

Sickness is a very hot potato indeed. You'll find that the people who are only off when they need it are hammered because your an easy target. What is worse, to struggle in to work and infect the rest of the staff or for the sick person to stay away and keep the germs away from the work place?
My boss hasn't had medical training but thinks he knows better than my GP, told him straight that I know who's advice I would take on medical matters and it wouldn't be his.

So Ian did you get your "back to work interview" and then go through the "Sickness review process"

Jim

[mowerman]

we use the Bradford factor at work also... our score threshold is 80. Think it is made up of NUMBER OF ABSENCES X NUMBER OF ABSENCES X TOTAL NUMBER OF DAYS OFF in a rolling year? Its great if you have a single long absence but not good if you have a few short spells off :(

[Deleted account DD]

we use the Bradford factor at work also... our score threshold is 80. Think it is made up of NUMBER OF ABSENCES X NUMBER OF ABSENCES X TOTAL NUMBER OF DAYS OFF in a rolling year? Its great if you have a single long absence but not good if you have a few short spells off :(

Absolutely disgraceful system.

Mind you we're no better, we have a system whereby more than 2 periods of sickness (any length even 1 day) in a rolling year loses you ...........wait for it............

£1200 !!!!!!!!!!! for a year. Then you have to jump through a few burning hoops to get it reinstated.

We make it in hell or high water for that. The amount of snot ad gunge splashed around must be feeeeeenominal

Its pensionable too so it makes quite a difference.

Bastards

[Deleted account DD]

So Ian did you get your "back to work interview" and then go through the "Sickness review process"




When I last had one of those it was actually suggested I should look a bit more interested.

Que sera sera was not the answer they expected.

Have to say though most of our immediate bosses dont like the system either . It is a diktat from on high.

[iandouglas]

JT wrote.
So Ian did you get your "back to work interview" and then go through the "Sickness review process"
HI JT.
short answer would be a deffinate is that spelt properly YES.:doh
nothing like wasting time is there.lol
I made the back to work interview last 20mins then went for a coffee.:thumb2
we had an HR manager start and the first thing he did was set this crap up.
we have approx 200 workers .

[jims-terrano]

Stupid thing is that the people it is meant to stop having time off it doesn't!!! If you are put on sickness review you are set a target say no more than two instances in six months and no more than 5 days sickness or you go on to the next level of review which is still far away from dismisall. So the people who it is aimed at just play the system and the rest suffer.

Jim

[glen]

Bradford factor

Absence Factor Calculation Worked Example

Date of Absence Number of Occasions
(Cumulative) Number of Shifts Absence
(Each Time) Total Number Shifts absent in rolling 6 months The Formula Total Absence Factor Points
1 May 1 1 shift 1 1 x 1 x 1 1
3 June 2 3 shifts 4 2 x 2 x 4 16
1 August 3 2 shifts 6 3 x 3 x 6 54
(so the trigger point of 25 has been reached)
4 October 4 1 shift 7 4 x 4 x 7 112

Glen

[jims-terrano]

Bradford factor

Absence Factor Calculation Worked Example

Date of Absence Number of Occasions
(Cumulative) Number of Shifts Absence
(Each Time) Total Number Shifts absent in rolling 6 months The Formula Total Absence Factor Points
1 May 1 1 shift 1 1 x 1 x 1 1
3 June 2 3 shifts 4 2 x 2 x 4 16
1 August 3 2 shifts 6 3 x 3 x 6 54
(so the trigger point of 25 has been reached)
4 October 4 1 shift 7 4 x 4 x 7 112

Glen

Glad you explained it, I'll sleep tonight now:lol

People really get paid for inventing this crap:doh

Jim

[macabethiel]

I AM HOPPING MAD.
Got dragged in today for a bollocking because i had a day of sick last month.
they are operating this bradford factor.
I had one day of last November due to medication change (the doctor put me on a tablet to reduce the fat content in my blood).
Result was a day sat on the loo.:doh
Christmas i had this flue thing I rang in to say i wouldnt be in that day I was told have the rest of the week off . (three days in total).
so thats five days in total that I have had off in 2.5 years.
have now got a score of 45 and cannot have a day of sick till November.
IF I AM ILL AGAIN I was advised to book a days HOLIDAY rather than sick.
how can you be on holiday if you are sick.:confused:

The Bradford scale has been dropped by the NHS as its too much of a blunt instrument. If you follow the logic rather than have three seperate periods of sickness in a six week period you score lower if you just take the whole three weeks off with a GP's certificate.

I had the misfortune to have nearly 8 months off sick back in 1987 with Hodgkins Disease. I went back on light duties for 18 months in prosecutions whilst I had my final 6 months of chemotherapy. It sank my chances of promotion to Inspector so after that when I was sick I always got a sick note from my GP instead of self certification. When I was called for sick councelling and they had a go at me about my sickness I asked them what medical qualifications they had and to take it up with my GP.

When I was a serving officer they had to change the sick score level at which counselling was initiated due to its flawed basis its been largely dropped by the private sector and most NHS trusts.

Having said that I had a PC on my shift who's sick record print out was about 400 pages in his 17 years service he had taken over 900 days sickness. His print out read like a medical dictionary no U.R.T.I. options for him.

When he hit 1000 days the shift bought him a cake with 1000 days written on it!
He eventually came unstuck when his girlfriend and he broke up. She sent a photo of him to his wife and Chief Superintendent wearing a just a helmet and a smile !
He went off sick again and fled to Portugal where he had an appartment. It took the force nearly 2 years after that to finally get him off the books with a pension !

[lacroupade]

The Bradford scale has been dropped by the NHS as its too much of a blunt instrument. If you follow the logic rather than have three seperate periods of sickness in a six week period you score lower if you just take the whole three weeks off with a GP's certificate.

I had the misfortune to have nearly 8 months off sick back in 1987 with Hodgkins Disease. I went back on light duties for 18 months in prosecutions whilst I had my final 6 months of chemotherapy. It sank my chances of promotion to Inspector so after that when I was sick I always got a sick note from my GP instead of self certification. When I was called for sick councelling and they had a go at me about my sickness I asked them what medical qualifications they had and to take it up with my GP.

When I was a serving officer they had to change the sick score level at which counselling was initiated due to its flawed basis its been largely dropped by the private sector and most NHS trusts.

Having said that I had a PC on my shift who's sick record print out was about 400 pages in his 17 years service he had taken over 900 days sickness. His print out read like a medical dictionary no U.R.T.I. options for him.

When he hit 1000 days the shift bought him a cake with 1000 days written on it!
He eventually came unstuck when his girlfriend and he broke up. She sent a photo of him to his wife and Chief Superintendent wearing a just a helmet and a smile !
He went off sick again and fled to Portugal where he had an appartment. It took the force nearly 2 years after that to finally get him off the books with a pension !

Shortly afterwards he rejoined and changed his name to Dave :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

[Paul]

We have a great system at our's.. If your off sick more then 3 day's in 3 months you get a writen, have another day of within 3 months after that and your given your notice.:eek:

[macabethiel]

Shortly afterwards he rejoined and changed his name to Dave :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

LOL

Did you know him ?

His first name really was Dave better not say anymore !

LOL

[macabethiel]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford_Factor

This was the version we used.

You can't easily be sacked for sickness as it may contravene The Disability Employment Act legislation. Many firms just ignore the legislation as most people will not take them to a tribunal as that can render you almost unemployable even if you win your case.

Thats why I am a supporter of Trade Unions etc even though I am a Tory Voter. Its no easy job standing up for your rights especially if your Boss is a Bully.

[jace]

when i saw this i thought it was a local thing to bradford yorkshire,didnt realise it was a national thing!

[Deleted account DD]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford_Factor

This was the version we used.



Its a lot more civilised than the evolved versions that are enforced now.

[larson]

when my boss wants to sack you your backed in to a corner and forced to take redundancy.. hope he takes a dislike to me around autumn time:augie

i was thinking the bradford factor was going to be a racist post....

[lacroupade]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford_Factor

This was the version we used.

You can't easily be sacked for sickness as it may contravene The Disability Employment Act legislation. Many firms just ignore the legislation as most people will not take them to a tribunal as that can render you almost unemployable even if you win your case.

Thats why I am a supporter of Trade Unions etc even though I am a Tory Voter. Its no easy job standing up for your rights especially if your Boss is a Bully.

I never thought I'd find myself agreeing with a statement like that, but I do.

The unions were their own worst enemy in the old Red Robbo days, and for many people the miners (over many years) were the straw that broke the camels back...whatever you think about the issues at the time, fact is the coal industry was bolloxed in the long term by cheap imports.

So too much militant action thats politically motivated is a bad thing IMHO, but standing up properly for employees rights is a different and laudable kettle of fish. Yes we live in a world where we can't afford to subsidise or even want to tolerate inefficiency and waste, but it doesn't mean that employers should be allowed to do as they please because the financial climate and employment shortages mean people are afraid to stand up for themselves.

[Deleted account DD]

I never thought I'd find myself agreeing with a statement like that, but I do.

The unions were their own worst enemy in the old Red Robbo days, and for many people the miners (over many years) were the straw that broke the camels back...whatever you think about the issues at the time, fact is the coal industry was bolloxed in the long term by cheap imports.




You dont have to be left wing to be trade union orientated. I was a rep for many years, militant as fcuk and not worried about speaking up (hence the limited careeer perhaps :D:D:D) got shot down a few times but got a few good victories in :thumb2

Must be in the blood. My Dad, tory through and through, was a very active trade unionist. I can remember as a kid seeing the big f off gong and chain he had as the regional chair/secretary or whatever for NALGO. (which became UNISON in 1993).

[danielj]

In recent times have found myself on the other side of the desk--the side that has to accept the sick notes and other explinations and / or excuses as to why someone is not turning up for work. Very hard to have a system that allows flexibility to employees and at the same time eliminate people pulling a sickie. That said, that Bradford Factor sounds off the wall. Doesn't seem to have made it across the pond to here yet thankfully. Can't see how it can be implemented while at the same time being fair to employees. And that will only lead to hassle and grievances and less work will be done in the long run.