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it seems my rights to express concerns about important isues just get squashed by mods who knows why nothing racist or insulting in anything i or anyone else who contributed to it.
maybe they dont mind symbols of national importance and pride being burned and insults thrown at people whove turned out to give 2 mins silence as mark respect,i do mind so did quite a few so maybe the thread should be re opend and an exsplanation as to why its been locked!
Jace agree with you.Tell families of soldiers and like who are fighting for our right to have it because slowly but surely its disapearing.
(RIP) PLANK
10-03-2011, 13:57
i think everyone is in agreement about the poppies - most Muslim people too- problem is these type of threads always turn into something else, don't they? :thumb2
must be me then but it seems like we have less rights than he had! we critisize his actions on here (two seperate threads by two seperate people merged into one, kindve shows concern ) its jumped on for being racist by some who obviously deep down thinks his actions were right, but dont have balls to come out and say it,for fear of being pilloried?
youre an educated chap plank maybe you could point out the racist part thread,so we can all be educated and learn from our mistakes?
Pity the pratt who burnt the poppies did not think his actions offended all indian soldiers who have died protecting his right for free speech
lacroupade
10-03-2011, 16:24
All you need to know is here. (http://www.yourrights.org.uk/yourrights/right-of-free-expression/criminal-law-restrictions-on-freedom-of-expression/racial-hatred.html)
That and the fact that the court will interpret incitement, abuse etc.. in ways you may or may not agree with. :)
very interesting although burning of poppys could be seen as inciting racial hatred.
i dont thing anyone used any words that could be (mis)construed as racist or likely to cause ofence exept maybe "burning poppys" especialy if you happen to be ex/or serving forces?
cant realy put it any farer than that for fear of be slapped down by powers that be.
(RIP) PLANK
10-03-2011, 17:15
And as another interesting point, this law is now being used to stop the transmission of any material that can be offensive or inflammatory via the INTERNET.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/27/section/1
im not up on legislation,but no ones given me the evidence that the merged threads closed (two threads two different authors a fact i had to point out to the mod who then merged them) contain anything breaching this legislation nothing worse than printed in umpteen papers and talked about in pmq's on wednesday.
this site is protected as theyll be a disclaimer along lines any views exspressed are those of individual poster and not those of ww.nissan.... blah blah
im not up on legislation,but no ones given me the evidence that the merged threads closed (two threads two different authors a fact i had to point out to the mod who then merged them) contain anything breaching this legislation nothing worse than printed in umpteen papers and talked about in pmq's on wednesday.
this site is protected as theyll be a disclaimer along lines any views exspressed are those of individual poster and not those of ww.nissan.... blah blah
no one has to give you a reason to close /moderate a thread jace , although they did
chatterbox
10-03-2011, 19:11
Just logged in for a quick look and saw this thread. I find it sad that in this brave new country "or Big Society" that we are now living in that you can not even offend a single person without taking a chance of having to appear in a court for doing so.
I once so offended an elderly gentleman while working in a call centre and used the word "crap" whilst discribing the programs that had recently appeared on the tely that he wrote in and complained.
It even earned me a written warning to be put in my personel file and a good talking too from my manager.
As you may be aware, some people are even sacked if they say anything bad about where they work.
So think carefully and be wary of what you may say or write in todays new world.
Deleted account DD
10-03-2011, 19:31
Problem is look at the start of the thread, i started one of them , but the message was clear. I found it easy to hate the ****** because of what he did.
Not because of who he is either race, religion or background.
Whatever his beliefs what he did was rude, intolerant and disrespectful to a whole range of people. That gives me enough to dislike him. Then seeing his smug unrepentant attitude gives me the right to hate him
Unfortunately a lot of valid discussions in this case re his behaviour get diverted by strong and potentially inflammatory comments on other aspects of the person under discussion. On this occasion moslems/immigrants in general.
In my opinion that is an unacceptable diversion :nenau
i dont see his religion is a problem,most in it would disown him and his antics! it is impossible to have the subject without understanding more about him ie what made him and his pals do it! answer religion and his/there intrepretation of it,religion has a lot to answer for a very dangerous thing especialy when intrepreted the way some choose to,more lives lost due to religion than anything else!
it seems my rights to express concerns about important isues just get squashed by mods who knows why nothing racist or insulting in anything i or anyone else who contributed to it.
maybe they dont mind symbols of national importance and pride being burned and insults thrown at people whove turned out to give 2 mins silence as mark respect,i do mind so did quite a few so maybe the thread should be re opend and an exsplanation as to why its been locked!
Jace agree with you.Tell families of soldiers and like who are fighting for our right to have it because slowly but surely its disapearing.
i think everyone is in agreement about the poppies - most Muslim people too- problem is these type of threads always turn into something else, don't they? :thumb2
must be me then but it seems like we have less rights than he had! we critisize his actions on here (two seperate threads by two seperate people merged into one, kindve shows concern ) its jumped on for being racist by some who obviously deep down thinks his actions were right, but dont have balls to come out and say it,for fear of being pilloried?
youre an educated chap plank maybe you could point out the racist part thread,so we can all be educated and learn from our mistakes?
WEELLL LAATTTEEEE on this but i agree :thumbs
UNLOCK they bloody thread, only a debate :nenau
& off topic :augie
I don't think any of us are racist :rolleyes: Its how the government once again have screwed the people who have been here for decades & generations by opening the flood gates to the Euro & giving them there own estates as a closed community & we're paying for it but can't do anything or say anything :mad:
In this country :rolleyes:
The fact of the matter is this :(
If you are a white / black / Chinese or Pakistani resident of the UK & have lived here for generations then YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS.!
If you are a Illegal Emergent / Refugee / Ethnic then you have rights & can or are entitled to grants / homes / etc
So I congratulate the former government on wrecking what my & many others grandfathers & grandmothers gave there lives for back in WW1 & WW2... Keeping BRITAIN BRITISH & having RIGHTS in OUR / YOUR OWN COUNTRY.!
So back onto the other LOCKED Thread...
He should of got a bigger fine plus costs & community service at a war grave yard imo!
Rant over... Actually... Freedom of speech over.!
macabethiel
10-03-2011, 20:55
im not up on legislation,but no ones given me the evidence that the merged threads closed (two threads two different authors a fact i had to point out to the mod who then merged them) contain anything breaching this legislation nothing worse than printed in umpteen papers and talked about in pmq's on wednesday.
this site is protected as theyll be a disclaimer along lines any views exspressed are those of individual poster and not those of ww.nissan.... blah blah
I assumed something had been removed from the thread and it was then closed. It seemed to be a reasonably tame discussion so perhaps the the Moderator was jumping the gun ??
i dont think anything was removed,i hope not as it makes this thread irelevent lol!
I assumed something had been removed from the thread and it was then closed. It seemed to be a reasonably tame discussion so perhaps the the Moderator was jumping the gun ??
:clap
a reason was given for the thread being locked , there is a option if you arent happy with the way a thread has been moderated /closed/locked etc , and that is to use the " report thread " option , or simply pm a mod or bat 21 , rather than post in public ...... just my view
You will find 'Report' links in many places throughout the board. These links allow you to alert the board staff to anything which you find to be offensive, objectionable or illegal.
if a tree falls in the forest and no ones there to hear it does it make a noise.
Problem is look at the start of the thread, i started one of them , but the message was clear. I found it easy to hate the ****** because of what he did.
Not because of who he is either race, religion or background.
Whatever his beliefs what he did was rude, intolerant and disrespectful to a whole range of people. That gives me enough to dislike him. Then seeing his smug unrepentant attitude gives me the right to hate him
Unfortunately a lot of valid discussions in this case re his behaviour get diverted by strong and potentially inflammatory comments on other aspects of the person under discussion. On this occasion moslems/immigrants in general.
In my opinion that is an unacceptable diversion :nenau
:clap :thumbs
Deleted account DD
10-03-2011, 21:30
more lives lost due to religion than anything else!
Your own statement makes the argument.
What youve done there is make a statement of perceived fact, not state an opinion. Theres no doubt what you have said is accepted as correct. I think most people from religious fanatics to medieval scholars would find it in them to agree. Do it another way and its often ill evidenced because it is just opinion. Very murky area that barristers have made livings out of but its there :D
However bearing in mind this is a truck forum (yes i know im as political as anyone and love a good argument) I could see the way that thread was POTENTIALLY heading, thats why i kept out of it. Prevention is always better than cure even if a few bods feel hard done by.
I understand the owner of the forum is also responsible for material published even if its not their own opinion and posted by a 3rd party.:thumb2 ironically that was tested out on a home office site during previous reform debate and some of us got a subtle warning :D
The Patrolman
10-03-2011, 21:38
"That one looks Jewish, and that ones a Coon!
Who let all of these weirdos into the room?"
Pink Floyd - The wall
"That one looks Jewish, and that ones a Coon!
Who let all of these weirdos into the room?"
Pink Floyd - The wall
Wrong thread :augie :lol http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11808
:lol
or these very racist jokes from jokes section eh boys terrible!
.
I sat opposite an Indian lady on the train today, she shut her eyes and appeared to have stopped breathing.
I thought she was dead until I saw the red spot on her forehead, and realised she was just on standby.
I got a right beating last night by a 6ft 7in black bloke.
All I said was, "Golly you're tall."
Years ago it was suggested that, "An apple a day keeps the doctor away."
But since all the doctors are now Muslim, I've found that a bacon sandwich works a treat!
Did you hear about the fat, alcoholic transvestite? All he wanted to do was eat, drink and be Mary.
I got an e-mail today from a bored local housewife, 43, who was looking for some hot action! So I sent her my ironing. That'll keep the lazy woman busy.
My mate just hired an Eastern European cleaner, took her 5 hours to Hoover the house.
Turns out she was a S-l-o-v-a-k.
I've been charged with murder for killing a man with sandpaper. To be honest I only intended to rough him up a bit.
A lad came home from school and excitedly told his dad that he had a part in the school play and he was playing a man who had been married for 25 years.
The dad said, "Never mind son, maybe next year you'll get a speaking part."
I just had my water bill of £175 drop on my mat. That's a lot. Oxfam can supply a whole African village for just £2 a month. It's time to change supplier I think.
And saving the best till last..
Paddy says to Mick, “T’be sure you have an empty milk bottle in your fridge?”
To which Mick responds “Ahhh that’s for them as wants black coffee you dozy
The Patrolman
10-03-2011, 21:49
Wrong thread :augie :lol http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11808
:lol
:doh
or these very racist jokes from jokes section eh boys terrible!
.
I sat opposite an Indian lady on the train today, she shut her eyes and appeared to have stopped breathing.
I thought she was dead until I saw the red spot on her forehead, and realised she was just on standby.
I got a right beating last night by a 6ft 7in black bloke.
All I said was, "Golly you're tall."
Years ago it was suggested that, "An apple a day keeps the doctor away."
But since all the doctors are now Muslim, I've found that a bacon sandwich works a treat!
Did you hear about the fat, alcoholic transvestite? All he wanted to do was eat, drink and be Mary.
I got an e-mail today from a bored local housewife, 43, who was looking for some hot action! So I sent her my ironing. That'll keep the lazy woman busy.
My mate just hired an Eastern European cleaner, took her 5 hours to Hoover the house.
Turns out she was a S-l-o-v-a-k.
I've been charged with murder for killing a man with sandpaper. To be honest I only intended to rough him up a bit.
A lad came home from school and excitedly told his dad that he had a part in the school play and he was playing a man who had been married for 25 years.
The dad said, "Never mind son, maybe next year you'll get a speaking part."
I just had my water bill of £175 drop on my mat. That's a lot. Oxfam can supply a whole African village for just £2 a month. It's time to change supplier I think.
And saving the best till last..
Paddy says to Mick, “T’be sure you have an empty milk bottle in your fridge?”
To which Mick responds “Ahhh that’s for them as wants black coffee you dozy
indeed i posted that , but i did warn it was politically incorrect ..... and your point , besides winding people up ? :augie:lol:lol
so saying that makes it imune from the rules,and my point was "people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones" and why should i be singled out by a mod,not very proffesional kindve thing!
jace my friend .... a observation if i may ( my final comment on this thread incidently ) ..... if my post was deemed to be offensive and had been deleted or the thread locked , i would have accepted that , to confront mods /administrators continually about their actions is unfortunately only going to have one outcome .
regards
pete
& now it comes back to freedom speech.!
I dont see Jace, tezzer, myself or plank & others as argumentative just saying what we think but the powers to be dont like it or certain members :nenau
What happened to if you dont like it dont read it :nenau
& also people say its a 4x4 forum :rolleyes: Not much 4x4 talk on this forum anymore apart from problems :(
So if theres no 4x4 talk why not about the state of our country :nenau
besides the point those jokes a racist very racist,i couldnt give a monkeys though,but when people post a link to the admin warning i just had to larf lol, it seems my posts are being singled out for moderation and far worse oferings from others arent even given consideration,seems very unfair this way every gets to see my point as pm mod in question isnt going to get him to reverse his orignal decision is he! i feel like the victim of a bully!
solarman216
10-03-2011, 22:42
Well my two pennyworth for what it is worth, I will say what I want when I want and to who I want, we live in a country of free speech, like it or not, I am not racist in any way but if a statement of mine is taken out of context and then deemed racist then tough, prove it was an intentional racist remark/statement, I really do not give a damn about todays so called equality CRAP, for that in the main is what it is, and most as far as I can see is due to the overbearing EU bastards trying to tell us what to do, well you do what you do, me, I do my own thing and always will, and will have nothing to do with Brussels, I could go on but, I have other things to do, Rick
Thomas-the-Terrano2
10-03-2011, 22:44
freedom of speech?
where do you think you are? this is a private club, abid by the rules or click close window.
strange my inbox is still empty to say how this has annoyed so many!
Modding well damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Jace, do I really bully you, ffs, you must be having a laugh after debates we've had on
facebook, I presume we're still friends on there though not logged in to check otherwise.
Was bat bullying you when he warned you other week.
I made my position clear on this sort of non truck material then too.
no i shant be deleting anyone of facebook but on here i deffinatley feel bullyed/singled out and have posted stuff from jokes section to prove so! the stuff i posted deffinatley is racist/sexist/homaphobic/deflamortry to irish people but no ones been bothered by it reason NOT POSTED BY ME!
if everything none 4x4 was removed there wouldnt be much left,the site would be a fault finding guide!
solarman216
10-03-2011, 22:55
freedom of speech?
where do you think you are? this is a private club, abid by the rules or click close window.
Whoops I think I made a boo boo, I had not realized we were talking about the club, I thought it was general, apologizes Rick :doh
If everything none 4x4 was removed there wouldnt be much left,the site would be a fault finding guide!
:thumbs :clap :clap :clap :thumbs
You beat me to that :lol
& that is a true & helpful fact :thumbs
The Patrolman
10-03-2011, 22:57
freedom of speech?
where do you think you are? this is a private club, abid by the rules or click close window.
strange my inbox is still empty to say how this has annoyed so many!
Modding well damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Jace, do I really bully you, ffs, you must be having a laugh after debates we've had on
facebook, I presume we're still friends on there though not logged in to check otherwise.
Was bat bullying you when he warned you other week.
I made my position clear on this sort of non truck material then too.
This is a Private Club - Taken
We have to PAY to stay - Taken
If we mis behave or P155 peoples off we get kicked out (Deported/shot so as not to P!55 other paying members off!) - Taken
I think the Moderators should be elected to Government and be allowed to enforce their policies nation wide without fear of critisism from the rest of the paying members:augie
Isn't that what the Government are suposed to do:nenau
All the Mods are trying to do is keep the peace in their own little world:naughty:clap:bow
no i shant be deleting anyone of facebook but on here i deffinatley feel bullyed/singled out and have posted stuff from jokes section to prove so! the stuff i posted deffinatley is racist/sexist/homaphobic/deflamortry to irish people but no ones been bothered by it reason NOT POSTED BY ME!
if everything none 4x4 was removed there wouldnt be much left,the site would be a fault finding guide!
still being picked on jace, so nothing has changed then mate. :lol
i do honestly feel im being singled out,therfore bullied!
macabethiel
10-03-2011, 23:29
freedom of speech?
where do you think you are? this is a private club, abid by the rules or click close window.
strange my inbox is still empty to say how this has annoyed so many!
Modding well damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Jace, do I really bully you, ffs, you must be having a laugh after debates we've had on
facebook, I presume we're still friends on there though not logged in to check otherwise.
Was bat bullying you when he warned you other week.
I made my position clear on this sort of non truck material then too.
I thought this was the virtual pub so within reason we could have a little rant just like we do in the pub with our mates or am I missing something.
As for moderating on the basis that "I could see where it was going ?"
With skills like that you could be winning £1.4 Million with a £2 bet
solarman216
10-03-2011, 23:46
I thought this was the virtual pub so within reason we could have a little rant just like we do in the pub with our mates or am I missing something.
As for moderating on the basis that "I could see where it was going ?"
With skills like that you could be winning £1.4 Million with a £2 bet
Yes I can side with that, we have to be able to have a little rant, Rick
lacroupade
11-03-2011, 00:06
still being picked on jace, so nothing has changed then mate. :lol
woah! how ya doing then Tez?:thumb2
time to change some moderaters aslots of problems being ccaused by a few
so im right,not just being paranoid,it seems if i post something fairly tame maybe little near knuckle its jumped on,anyone else can post stuff that would land you in the cells but hey ho thats ok it aint jace! maybe i should print this stuff out incase i suddenly find myself locked out!
makeitfit
11-03-2011, 09:42
Jace why dont you just write what you like as often as you like BUT stop winging on about what everyone else thinks about your posts?:nenau
Personally couldn't care a toss but all the long winded threads have got you in them:doh
It's not all about you :lol
Go find a new tree to shake :cool:
Thomas-the-Terrano2
11-03-2011, 10:05
time to change some moderaters aslots of problems being ccaused by a few
Spot on, caused by a few, hope not taken your thoughts out of context though
plenty of that about isn't there.
Really need to look at bigger picture, the thread was closed not removed, it had served
what purpose it had and no one else in it complained. There was a request from a member
and one of Bat21's posts was quoted, not by me!
Perhaps the pub should be renamed the moan & gripe, or soap box. When you click on
the site in your browser favourites, is it because you want to ask a question, see if you
can help someone, see whats new in the 4x4 world or just see if theres a pointless debate
or scuffle that might need you? Well for me its the first three.
Its been said before, there are escalation routes, so PM Bat as I'm a member first and
just trying to keep site moving smoothly second.
lacroupade
11-03-2011, 11:03
Spot on, caused by a few, hope not taken your thoughts out of context though
plenty of that about isn't there.
Really need to look at bigger picture, the thread was closed not removed, it had served
what purpose it had and no one else in it complained. There was a request from a member
and one of Bat21's posts was quoted, not by me!
Perhaps the pub should be renamed the moan & gripe, or soap box. When you click on
the site in your browser favourites, is it because you want to ask a question, see if you
can help someone, see whats new in the 4x4 world or just see if theres a pointless debate
or scuffle that might need you? Well for me its the first three.
Its been said before, there are escalation routes, so PM Bat as I'm a member first and
just trying to keep site moving smoothly second.
And you're doing a good job mate. Keep it up. :thumb2:thumb2:thumb2
The bottom line is that this is a privately owned site, not a public forum, so whatever the owner or his appointed mods want or don't want, is what happens. Simple as that. Nothing to discuss.
thread closed but worse ones left open,proves my point.
lacroupade
11-03-2011, 11:09
http://i565.photobucket.com/albums/ss98/Pawly/yawn_190.jpg
thread closed but worse ones left open,proves my point.
if you are offended /upset/annoyed by a post or a member , there are plenty of avenues to resolve the matter as has been stated many times my friend , if i personally have offended /upset/annoyed you in anyway shape or form , then i apologise most profusely as that wasnt and i hope never will be my intention
no nothing you have posted ofended me in any way,my gripe is why am i being singled out for special treatment,it all seems funny/boring to everyone else until it happens to them.
the reasons for shutting the thread dont wash when you look around forum plenty of ruder/racist/sexist posts still in full flow,i paid my tenner so am entitled to equal and fare treatment,if i dont get it i kick up a fuss,telling me youd just allow it to happen to you!
What we need is a agony aunt to sort all breakdowns in relationships/taking piss too far/rude jokes because everyone gets them on their phone and post on here.So who wants to be jeremy kyle.But there again it is a 4x4 site.
Deleted account DD
11-03-2011, 20:22
And you're doing a good job mate. Keep it up. :thumb2:thumb2:thumb2
The bottom line is that this is a privately owned site, not a public forum, so whatever the owner or his appointed mods want or don't want, is what happens. Simple as that. Nothing to discuss.
Seconded :thumb2
Mods decision is final.
Like it or lump it.
Deleted account DD
11-03-2011, 20:24
What we need is a agony aunt to sort all breakdowns in relationships/taking piss too far/rude jokes because everyone gets them on their phone and post on here.So who wants to be jeremy kyle.But there again it is a 4x4 site.
The conversations on here mirror life in general. To compare it to the pub, if comments are posted that would make you lower your voice and look around to see who was there if they were made in the pub, mods will be thinking about acting :thumb2
(RIP) PLANK
11-03-2011, 20:47
Problem is look at the start of the thread, i started one of them , but the message was clear. I found it easy to hate the ****** because of what he did.
Not because of who he is either race, religion or background.
Whatever his beliefs what he did was rude, intolerant and disrespectful to a whole range of people. That gives me enough to dislike him. Then seeing his smug unrepentant attitude gives me the right to hate him
Unfortunately a lot of valid discussions in this case re his behaviour get diverted by strong and potentially inflammatory comments on other aspects of the person under discussion. On this occasion moslems/immigrants in general.
In my opinion that is an unacceptable diversion :nenau
very well put :clap
(RIP) PLANK
11-03-2011, 20:54
Seconded :thumb2
Mods decision is final.
Like it or lump it.
THIRDED :thumb2
(RIP) PLANK
11-03-2011, 20:57
no nothing you have posted ofended me in any way,my gripe is why am i being singled out for special treatment,it all seems funny/boring to everyone else until it happens to them.
the reasons for shutting the thread dont wash when you look around forum plenty of ruder/racist/sexist posts still in full flow,i paid my tenner so am entitled to equal and fare treatment,if i dont get it i kick up a fuss,telling me youd just allow it to happen to you!
i don't think you are being singled out for different treatment, it is just that the type of material you wish to discuss always leads to misguided and inflammatory comments. Many people have tried to reason with this on here and it always ends up with 'tit for tat' rhetorical responses to reasoned arguments. The only real way forward with this is to just stop discussing this type of thing - full stop.
its quite easy to prove i am and i have posted from jokes section to prove my point,you esp plank will find the joke contains very offensive/illegal material to some,yet it has been there ages with no comment from anyone,no mod has jumped on it or anything,yet my thread is closed when it is very tame compared!
a mods descion can only be final if it is aplied fairly and equaly,this one was not!
(RIP) PLANK
12-03-2011, 13:01
the trouble is with these type of threads is they are OK as long as everyone grumbles along in the tired tabloid way 'no rights for us', send em back' 'bloody immigrants' etc. But when someone stands up and offers an alternative well reasoned point of view they get picked on.
I have been called a trouble maker and repeatedly ganged up on by a Small group of members for NOT i repeat NOT being a racist (and no Jace that has no reference to this thread so don't make out it has -again) Then when mods step in those same bullies moan about being bullied!
I have been accused of complaining to mods - not true
sending Pm's about people - not true
bleating on - for no agreeing with racist point of view
i am the PC brigade - again not true, more tabloid nonsense.
being a trouble maker - not trying to do the opposite
do I bang on about it? NO
so who is being singled out mate? not you :augie
I have also had a thread closed by a mod who thought it might cause problems, accepted it and moved on.
So why don't we all do just that?
maybe i refuse to acept ive done anything wrong and i say again look at the thread from joke section and tell me that it is in your opinion not as bad as mine! then you have your answer,ignoring the reason im arguing wont make it go away!
(RIP) PLANK
12-03-2011, 13:14
maybe i refuse to accept I've done anything wrong and i say again look at the thread from joke section and tell me that it is in your opinion not as bad as mine! then you have your answer,ignoring the reason I'm arguing wont make it go away!
forget the joke section, forget this 'I'm a victim' stuff - these threads cause nothing but trouble - end of.
It is the threads suitability the Mods judge not the person posting it.
as i said i have had a thread closed, without warning by a Mod who i consider to be a friend - respect his judgement and move on.
have you noticed all the other threads in which you post are welcome and accepted and receive positive replies? So no victimisation then? agreed?
macabethiel
12-03-2011, 13:25
Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean everyones not out to get me ?
(RIP) PLANK
12-03-2011, 13:47
Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean everyones not out to get me ?
yes they are :augie :lol
lacroupade
12-03-2011, 13:58
I used to be paranoid but I'm better now.:bow
Ask that bloke over there if you don't believe me. He's been watching me all day.:thumb2
(RIP) PLANK
12-03-2011, 14:50
I used to be paranoid but I'm better now.:bow
Ask that bloke over there if you don't believe me. He's been watching me all day.:thumb2
no i haven't, don't accuse me of staring :augie
Well,I'm Irish but regarding the Irish jokes I'm still waiting to see some good, creative non stereotypical ones. It gets a bit dull when the same tired old Irish jokes keep getting posted. So, let's see some originality then.:D
Deleted account DD
12-03-2011, 17:53
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you still fail to answer how blatently racist threads escape moseration yet my tame thread gets closed,i have no beef with rich outside the realms of this thread!
Deleted account DD
12-03-2011, 18:20
Id stop worrying Jace. You arent being picked on.
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Deleted account DD
12-03-2011, 18:22
There'll always be some leaning towers around
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(RIP) PLANK
12-03-2011, 18:24
Well,I'm Irish but regarding the Irish jokes I'm still waiting to see some good, creative non stereotypical ones. It gets a bit dull when the same tired old Irish jokes keep getting posted. So, let's see some originality then.:D
I do see your point, for a joke to be deemed 'racist' it has to be offensive which means someone would have to be offended, and in the case of Briggie's fairly bland (no offence Briggie) jokes no one was.
Another point: The jokes an humour section does not come up in the 'new posts' section so not all that many people read them. Maybe if they did then they would attract more complaints?
With all these things there is a 'line' that must not be crossed and i think comedians like Frankie Boyle serve to constantly define and test that line - functional comedy.
On this site the members and admin represent and set that line by their reaction to threads and it is enforced by the mods - job done
I sat opposite an Indian lady on the train today, she shut her eyes and appeared to have stopped breathing.
I thought she was dead until I saw the red spot on her forehead, and realised she was just on standby.
I got a right beating last night by a 6ft 7in black bloke.
All I said was, "Golly you're tall."
Years ago it was suggested that, "An apple a day keeps the doctor away."
But since all the doctors are now Muslim, I've found that a bacon sandwich works a treat!
Did you hear about the fat, alcoholic transvestite? All he wanted to do was eat, drink and be Mary.
I got an e-mail today from a bored local housewife, 43, who was looking for some hot action! So I sent her my ironing. That'll keep the lazy woman busy.
My mate just hired an Eastern European cleaner, took her 5 hours to Hoover the house.
Turns out she was a S-l-o-v-a-k.
I've been charged with murder for killing a man with sandpaper. To be honest I only intended to rough him up a bit.
A lad came home from school and excitedly told his dad that he had a part in the school play and he was playing a man who had been married for 25 years.
The dad said, "Never mind son, maybe next year you'll get a speaking part."
I just had my water bill of £175 drop on my mat. That's a lot. Oxfam can supply a whole African village for just £2 a month. It's time to change supplier I think.
And saving the best till last..
Paddy says to Mick, “T’be sure you have an empty milk bottle in your fridge?”
To which Mick responds “Ahhh that’s for them as wants black coffee you dozy
so nothing in there offensive but this threads so ofensive it needs closing! just so i know where boundries are!
http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12201
(RIP) PLANK
12-03-2011, 18:43
it's when you keep banging on like this Jace, and refusing to see everyones point that you just make yourself look daft. We have all explained our point of view on this over and over - so lets just move on now :thumb2
As i said, it's where those threads always lead' the potential for trouble' that is the problem, and you know that as well as any of us!
no this is very important to this forum,are we allowed to post jokes like the ones below but not allowed to have a point of view thred that had no where near as much race/sex/homaphobic materail in,if it isnt sorted out where do we stand.
Deleted account DD
12-03-2011, 18:54
no this is very important to this forum
Maybe it is, maybe it isnt :nenau
What is far far more important is that the mods are respected and their judgment accepted.
You maybe dont realise it but by paying the ten pounds you agree to abide by all rules and regs of the service you are buying into.
Deleted account DD
12-03-2011, 18:58
if it isnt sorted out where do we stand.
The answer to that one is incredibly simple and called expierential learning :thumb2
Effectively you post, comments are passed , the mods have final say, we take note.
If the post was acceptable, it can be repeated in manner, if not it doesnt happen again.
Theres lots of experiential learning SHOULD have gone on recently :thumbs
i just cannot see how closing the thread was justified,everyone must be able to justify there actions or anarchy reigns,so justify to me how the thread needed closing down when worse things are still left to run,you cant!
Time someone explained why the thread was closed and the other allowed.
thank you dinky ive been trying to get that answer for a whiles now,it seemed prety simple to me!,not to critisize anyone for going off thread as im one worst!
Deleted account DD
12-03-2011, 19:54
i just cannot see how closing the thread was justified,everyone must be able to justify there actions or anarchy reigns,so justify to me how the thread needed closing down when worse things are still left to run,you cant!
Absolutley completely incorrect. Anarchy rules when everyone has a free hand. Leaderless societies and organisations are doomed.
still dont answer the orignal question,was my/our thread that got locked so offensive it needed locking and is the list of jokes so safe/pc its ok?
Deleted account DD
12-03-2011, 20:12
Time someone explained why the thread was closed and the other allowed.
A nicety but not a prerequisite.
If you want to see true autocracy in action go see that caravan forum that was mentioned somewhere on here. Its so bad its even got its own why was i kicked off face book page :D:D:D
Trust me this place is self regulating to a massive degree and pretty liberal.
Thats probably why individuals get so up tight when threads are kicked into touch.
If I was asked to look at some of the recent activity on here in a professional capacity (and trust me i havent) I consider a lot of posts to be very close to unacceptable if not already there. You are not safe just because theres a length of fibre optic cable separating you from your actions. You are fully accountable and I can tell you based on current policies there are people on here who could and i stress could have found themselves deep in it.
The "official side" on here dealt appropriately and proportionately with the problems. The double edge for that sword is you have now been warned and that gives more weight to any further potential actions.
This latest one had all the signs and tha basic feel of heading the same way. Maybe it would have, maybe it wouldn't have, who cares, but no one knew.
Therfore , it would appear on the basis of prevention rather than cure something was done about it. If that has stopped degeneration into inappropriate exchanges the decision was a good one.
If the thread wasnt offensive but still closed the decison to do so seems to have been one based on good intentions so again a good decision.
There is absolutely nothing to gain by whinging on except driving members away.
I have no problem at all with the individuals who are involved in this , in fact i have high regard for many......no change that to some :augie of their posts but please shut the **** up before you either get booted or drop yourself in it :thumb2
makeitfit
12-03-2011, 20:16
"I have no problem at all with the individuals who are involved in this , in fact i have high regard for many......no change that to some of their posts but please shut the **** up before you either get booted or drop yourself in it "
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Deleted account DD
12-03-2011, 20:18
still dont answer the orignal question,was my/our thread that got locked so offensive it needed locking and is the list of jokes so safe/pc its ok?
I would rephrase your question and ask for guidance, if BATs list doesnt cover it to somthing like "can we have some guidance on what is decent"
It would be sad because its inferring we have a less responsible attitude than a 10 year old .
On a personal basis stop banging your head against the wall. Get back to posting interesting stuff and if you feel hard done by in the future make a note and "compile your case"
Two uses for that. Firstly you will have a stronger case if your grievance is genuine. secondly and far more important people under scrutiny (not paranoid oppresion) tend to be better at self regulating. It means many of us wont change but those of us who are a bit shall we say close to being a problem may think twice before hitting the keyboard.
This sort of thing goes on anyway but hey go for it :nenau
Time someone explained why the thread was closed and the other allowed.
:clap I agree as there was nothing wrong with it :nenau
thank you dinky ive been trying to get that answer for a whiles now,it seemed prety simple to me!,not to critisize anyone for going off thread as im one worst!
:thumbs
Absolutley completely incorrect. Anarchy rules when everyone has a free hand. Leaderless societies and organisations are doomed.
:clap but i think a reason should be given on this occassion when there was no problem with the thread :confused: :nenau
Is this one going to be closed because the ruler & his soldiers are being questioned... ( so to speak )
What if I see something offensive?
You will find 'Report' links in many places throughout the board. These links allow you to alert the board staff to anything which you find to be offensive, objectionable or illegal.
( the " report thread " icon looks like a warning triangle )
(RIP) PLANK
12-03-2011, 20:28
Jace read the definitions on the link supplied by 'Lacroupade' and closing the thread did 'you' a favour. If anyone were ever to take real offence and make some sort of "case" out of this, it would be you in the dock - and there is plenty of other threads to show that people had done their best to explain this, over, and over, and over again.
This type of stuff always leads to the same old trouble, which reflects badly on the club in general - and on some members in particular.
a quote from the link:
There are other offences of publishing or distributing material; presenting or directing a play; distributing, showing or playing visual images or sounds; broadcasting a television programme, except programmes transmitted by the BBC; or distributing a cable programme with the same characteristics - that is, being threatening, abusive or insulting - and which is either intended to stir up racial hatred or likely to have this effect.
and some threads are 'likely to have this effect' and this has been repeatedly explained and pointed out! think about it :thumb2
outside of this Jace everyone values your comments and opinions it would be a sad day if everyone fell out over this stuff :thumb2
What if I see something offensive?
You will find 'Report' links in many places throughout the board. These links allow you to alert the board staff to anything which you find to be offensive, objectionable or illegal.
( the " report thread " icon looks like a warning triangle )
My fingers aching :rolleyes: :augie :lol :lol :lol
"I have no problem at all with the individuals who are involved in this , in fact i have high regard for many......no change that to some of their posts but please shut the **** up before you either get booted or drop yourself in it "
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Plus 2 :naughty
So where did you get your avatar from :confused:
still dont answer the orignal question,was my/our thread that got locked so offensive it needed locking and is the list of jokes so safe/pc its ok?
I've got more posts than you :p
i think everyone must be thick skinned or someone wouldve had the jokes section shut down,seing as they havent we must use that as a standard as to how far we can go! so muslims being thretend with pork,indians on standby etc etc all quite aceptable yes/no?
(RIP) PLANK
13-03-2011, 00:21
i think everyone must be thick skinned or someone wouldve had the jokes section shut down,seing as they havent we must use that as a standard as to how far we can go! so muslims being thretend with pork,indians on standby etc etc all quite aceptable yes/no?
Jace, just leave it now for f**ks sake :doh
you are worse than my Mrs :augie
http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12296
:popcrn
Just to be clear (http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12307) :thumb2
there wasnt though bat,no one was being rude/racist/personal to anyone and it got closed???? it left me confused as to why especialy as there is far more offensive material left to run,leaves a chap feeling anoyed!!!
(RIP) PLANK
14-03-2011, 18:45
typing this stuff is clumsy, if we meet up at some point we will have to go through it over a drink and sort it all out :thumb2
In the mean time, just don't worry about it mate, it's just not worth it :)
still confused.com !
typing this stuff is clumsy, if we meet up at some point we will have to go through it over a drink and sort it all out :thumb2
In the mean time, just don't worry about it mate, it's just not worth it :)
:thumbs
Thomas-the-Terrano2
14-03-2011, 22:59
maybe i refuse to acept ive done anything wrong and i say again look at the thread from joke section and tell me that it is in your opinion not as bad as mine! then you have your answer,ignoring the reason im arguing wont make it go away!
perhaps if everything else was as remotely funny, and a smirk doesnt have to cause
offense unlike some of the bollocks peddled here, that is unless its even drier humour
than mine, and that takes some doing.
reasons have been given, in this thread and original, I'm not going through it again as I
many other members have spelt it out since page 4, think now on page 8.
blimey if only could talk trucks to this degree what a site this could be!
in laymans terms compared to the racist/sexist/homaphobic jokes how was my thread so bad it needed to be closed or is the language/inferences in jokes section aceptable for forum use?
makeitfit
15-03-2011, 13:02
:doh
Ok you win , your prize is in the post....................
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(RIP) PLANK
15-03-2011, 17:08
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that is a very meaningful quote :thumb2
So whats happened to Jace then? Has he been banned from the forum. His member name now appears like the one in the image below...
So whats happened to Jace then? Has he been banned from the forum. His member name now appears like the one in the image below...
Yes, my link in post 94 above made it clear :thumb2
extreme-4x4
15-03-2011, 20:11
:bow:bow:bow... well done bat21.
just wish i'd done it when i had the chance
Terranical
15-03-2011, 21:44
Yes, my link in post 94 above made it clear :thumb2
Thank you, thank you, thank you - don't know how much more of that winging I could have taken!
:bow:bow:bow... well done bat21.
just wish i'd done it when i had the chance
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makeitfit
15-03-2011, 21:58
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