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congratulations mate on your victory :thumb2 , if anyone deserves it , you two do , bring on the party :naughty , unfortunately looks like i wont be able to go , but i will be there in spirit , WELL DONE :clap:clap:clap
solarman216
06-03-2011, 00:58
any time you are down this way call in and we will celebrate it together, Rick
victory? do tell, i love a bit of good news
jims-terrano
06-03-2011, 01:02
I take it you've wiped the floor with the local planners:clap
I'd come down and help you party but can't afford the fuel:lol
Jim
solarman216
06-03-2011, 01:14
victory? do tell, i love a bit of good news
yep I have won over the planners that wont to tell you what you do with your property, 4 year rule and today is the day, they are gonna be very upset, if you would like to come to our big party then PM me for date, Rick
well done Rick and Maggs, sounds like a victory worth celebration!:clap
harlowmaverick
11-03-2011, 02:28
congratulations to both of you!!!! :clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap :clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap :clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap
so what can you do now that you couldnt or wouldnt do before?
well done Rick and Maggs, a well deserved victory.
am sorry that i wont be able to join in with the celebration, who's the next victims on your battlefield
zippy656
11-03-2011, 10:25
so what have you got the planners dont like then?
ClanWolf
11-03-2011, 14:47
Congrats, folks. Thoroughly deserved.
lacroupade
11-03-2011, 15:17
This a retorical question Rick, But I'm assuming whatever you've built is on residential land as opposed to agricultural? I'm just not clear if/how the 10-year rule applies in such cases.
The basis of the 4-year rule is that it stops a planning authority taking planning enforcement action against the alleged unauthorised development if it has been continuously in use for 4 years or more as a seperate dwelling.
lacroupade
11-03-2011, 23:07
The basis of the 4-year rule is that it stops a planning authority taking planning enforcement action against the alleged unauthorised development if it has been continuously in use for 4 years or more as a seperate dwelling.
and the ten year rule applies to change of use - a situation where agricultural land has been used for something else without PP....so if whatever Ricks done is on residential land then the four year rule is fine, if not, discretion might be required.:augie
(RIP) PLANK
11-03-2011, 23:09
i don't even know what for but good news is god news - congratulations :thumb2
lacroupade
11-03-2011, 23:10
i don't even know what for but good news is god news - congratulations :thumb2
Is that a Freudian slip then or what? :lol
(RIP) PLANK
11-03-2011, 23:16
Is that a Freudian slip then or what? :lol
I do hope not, i like to think my id, or is it ego? or super-ego? is a bit more racy than thoughts of the almighty :augie
solarman216
11-03-2011, 23:28
OK to clarify, we have lived on agri land for 8 years in a mobile home, and the council have been tying to remove us from that time, but there are ways and means and we are still here, but 4 years ago I learnt of the 4 year rule re converting an existing building to full living accommodation, so converted the stables completing and moving in on the 7 March 4 years ago with all the evidence needed to prove this, so that is why we are celebrating, we have won and lost some battles during this time but have now won the war.
Now to make this easier on me YOU ARE ALL INVITED but you must PM me for the date and address, last thing I want is Gate Crashers, but Swifty will sort any problems he is renowned for it, best regards Rick
lacroupade
11-03-2011, 23:33
OK to clarify, we have lived on agri land for 8 years in a mobile home, and the council have been tying to remove us from that time, but there are ways and means and we are still here, but 4 years ago I learnt of the 4 year rule re converting an existing building to full living accommodation, so converted the stables completing and moving in on the 7 March 4 years ago with all the evidence needed to prove this, so that is why we are celebrating, we have won and lost some battles during this time but have now won the war.
Now to make this easier on me YOU ARE ALL INVITED but you must PM me for the date and address, last thing I want is Gate Crashers, but Swifty will sort any problems he is renowned for it, best regards Rick
Well I'm sure you've already done it Rick, but if not, check with a specialist solicitor, because my understanding of the process is that its a ten year rule as regards change of use of land (from agri to residential) and while the four year rule may mean you get away with the building staying up, you might not be able to legally occupy it. But I'm sure you've done your homework so well done whatever!:thumb2
solarman216
11-03-2011, 23:39
Well I'm sure you've already done it Rick, but if not, check with a specialist solicitor, because my understanding of the process is that its a ten year rule as regards change of use of land (from agri to residential) and while the four year rule may mean you get away with the building staying up, you might not be able to legally occupy it. But I'm sure you've done your homework so well done whatever!:thumb2
Yes done my homework very thoroughly 4 year rule applies to converted "existing" buildings , and as "Thurrock" council found to their cost you do not have to have lived in it without interruption for the 4 years , you are entitled to have "holidays", Rick
thurrock rick, you havnt moved into lakeside i hope.CONGRATS KEV.
Thomas-the-Terrano2
12-03-2011, 00:40
thurrock rick, you havnt moved into lakeside i hope.CONGRATS KEV.
Lakeside? more like be under-lake next time that london gets one of those mega flood
tides eh? thames barrier already quoted as not enough, ffs talk of another one being
built. cheaper to relocate the valuable stuff to the midlands, you know near plank's new english assembly! the centre of englandshire. lol.
solarman216
12-03-2011, 00:40
thurrock rick, you havnt moved into lakeside i hope.CONGRATS KEV.
No would not want to live there thank you, Rick
Deleted account DD
12-03-2011, 00:43
So were does the ten year rule fit in?
I attended a planning meeting a few years back with my mate who was buying up some land and we went to hear the planning committee/objectors debate it.
Another one up at the same session was a chap who was a bit of a character who had bought up some old British Railway land and started to develop it, built a bungalow and moved in without planning permission.
At the hearing he got his way so long as no more development went on but i do remember them saying that as he'd only been there about six or seven years years he hadnt achieved blah blah (I was only listening to odd bits) but they decided to let him stay out of good grace to stop any further hassle.
Whats the score then???????
I genuinely dont know :nenau
if you go onto google maps and go to Burtree Lane Darlington and home in on lat / long 54.559556 -1.554750 youll see the nice bungalow he had built at that point :thumb2
Thomas-the-Terrano2
12-03-2011, 08:45
railway land, wouldnt that be brown field or industrial.
sounds positively charming, darling the 10:02 to Kings
Cross is late....
lacroupade
12-03-2011, 11:20
So were does the ten year rule fit in?
I attended a planning meeting a few years back with my mate who was buying up some land and we went to hear the planning committee/objectors debate it.
Another one up at the same session was a chap who was a bit of a character who had bought up some old British Railway land and started to develop it, built a bungalow and moved in without planning permission.
At the hearing he got his way so long as no more development went on but i do remember them saying that as he'd only been there about six or seven years years he hadnt achieved blah blah (I was only listening to odd bits) but they decided to let him stay out of good grace to stop any further hassle.
Whats the score then???????
I genuinely dont know :nenau
if you go onto google maps and go to Burtree Lane Darlington and home in on lat / long 54.559556 -1.554750 youll see the nice bungalow he had built at that point :thumb2
It revolves around change of use....for example, it you bought agricultural land and started running a scrapyard with PP for 'change of use', the council has ten years to clobber you.
But I thought from interpretation that it could sometimes also mean that if you built a house on farmland, even if you got away with the four year rule, the house couldn't be occupied because of the lands designation. But I'm sure Rick hasn't gone public (and bought beer!) without knowing where he stands.
solarman216
12-03-2011, 12:08
The ten year rule does usually apply to change of use, and the four year rule usually applies the the erection of a building , hence you could build a house on farm land and after four years they could not normally make you take it down, but also you could not live in it, you could only use it for agri related purpose, if however you got away with it for 10 years then all OK and you can live in it legally, but the 4 year rule on EXISTING buildings on agri land, is an odd one, that was why I did not find out about it for a few year after living here, had I known my 4 years would have been up 3.5 years ago, incidentally does any one know what happened to the guy who built the castle behind the straw bails, he took the bails down after 4 years which as far as the rules state the building can stay but he cant live in it, but I lost track and do not know the final out come, Rick
lacroupade
12-03-2011, 12:14
The ten year rule does usually apply to change of use, and the four year rule usually applies the the erection of a building , hence you could build a house on farm land and after four years they could not normally make you take it down, but also you could not live in it, you could only use it for agri related purpose, if however you got away with it for 10 years then all OK and you can live in it legally, but the 4 year rule on EXISTING buildings on agri land, is an odd one, that was why I did not find out about it for a few year after living here, had I known my 4 years would have been up 3.5 years ago, incidentally does any one know what happened to the guy who built the castle behind the straw bails, he took the bails down after 4 years which as far as the rules state the building can stay but he cant live in it, but I lost track and do not know the final out come, Rick
Looks like he lost (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1248226/Farmers-secret-castle-demolished-court-rules.html) in the end....
solarman216
12-03-2011, 22:51
The last update on this is Feb 2010, I am sure I have heard, of something since then, but have been unable to find it as yet, I will have to get onto the council site for his area and see, but that sort of thing takes me a long time, Rick
solarman216
12-03-2011, 23:30
OK been onto the Reigate council site and looked at all the official stuff and all is not what it seems, as is so often the case in the press, so no comparisons, twixt him and me, Rick
lacroupade
07-04-2011, 18:06
Hope this isn't bad news....sounds like yours is a different case, but shows the ba5tards don't give up...
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/38/20110407/tuk-couple-loses-500k-home-faked-as-a-ha-107bc4a.html
solarman216
07-04-2011, 19:12
no mate he stood no chance, typical of getting it wrong, although the councils arguments are not correct either, but it matters little there was no way he was going to get that on the 4 year rule regarding existing buildings, you have to be fair, put up a farm building, call it existing and convert it, not really playing the game, on the other side of the coin had the enforcement officer here today re our letter about living in the converted stables, you should have seen his face when he walked in and saw our place, he was visibly shocked and the tone went off straight away to the point of giving suggestions how to avoid enforcement action by applying for a lawful development certificate now and he will send me the forms, in the end it is better to get this over with now cos when it is done it is all done and dusted, Rick
lacroupade
07-04-2011, 21:01
no mate he stood no chance, typical of getting it wrong, although the councils arguments are not correct either, but it matters little there was no way he was going to get that on the 4 year rule regarding existing buildings, you have to be fair, put up a farm building, call it existing and convert it, not really playing the game, on the other side of the coin had the enforcement officer here today re our letter about living in the converted stables, you should have seen his face when he walked in and saw our place, he was visibly shocked and the tone went off straight away to the point of giving suggestions how to avoid enforcement action by applying for a lawful development certificate now and he will send me the forms, in the end it is better to get this over with now cos when it is done it is all done and dusted, Rick
well you have to admit his was a pretty dodgy and devious effort, not quite playing cricket what? LOL
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