Fear factor 2

[(RIP) PLANK]

You are a mother, home alone, who's teenage son should be on his way home walking from a friends house in the early evening on a dark December night.

You are a Sikh, who's brother serves in the army and who's grandfather died fighting against the Nazi's in Europe.

Your family have many generations of residence in Britain and all work hard and pay their taxes.

A gang of white skinheads in EDL hoodies chanting racist slogans and showing off with snarling bull terrier type dogs walks past your house - heading in the direction you know will mean they must bump inot your son walking home alone in the dark.

would you be frightened?

[jace]

no my son is part of the sikh faith a is prepared to die like the brave ones who stepped into the tent thinking they would be killed to prove there faith,plus hes carying a bloody great sword that would get anyone else thrown in jail but because hes a sikh in britain he can carry it.

[(RIP) PLANK]

stepped into the tent? :nenau

and from you reply, it seems he is 'odds on' going to get attacked by racists and have to defend himself, and that you have made some stereotypical assumptions!

[tezzer]

plank, me old mate, i think this will stir up more trouble than it 's worth to be honest, we have had a couple of debates on this type of thing, and now we should put it to bed, for awhile at least, what do you think, from here it seems that you want to keep this going until there is a big bust up and people fall out. i will not vote or get involved on this post.

[(RIP) PLANK]

plank, me old mate, i think this will stir up more trouble than it 's worth to be honest, we have had a couple of debates on this type of thing, and now we should put it to bed, for awhile at least, what do you think, from here it seems that you want to keep this going until there is a big bust up and people fall out. i will not vote or get involved on this post.

are you going to do the same for Jace's thread? :nenau

[jace]

edl non racist org it says so on theres and met polices website dont get many white skinhead suicide bombers realy lol,a bull terrier is as dangerous as the person in question i have 3 in my house and unlike certain jack rusels they dont pin other dogs to the ground by the neck.
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[(RIP) PLANK]

edl non racist org it says so on theres and met polices website dont get many white skinhead suicide bombers realy lol,a bull terrier is as dangerous as the person in question i have 3 in my house and unlike certain jack rusels they dont pin other dogs to the ground by the neck.
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what has a white skinhead suicide bomber got to do with it? and did i comment on the dog's behavior? for future reference, in this case the dog occupies the clever end of the lead :thumb2

Why do you never answer questions asked of you? and chose to make another bigoted and inflammatory comment instead?

I vote delete this thread and the other one started by JACE!

This week i have seen the police take action against people using printouts from facebook. They were making racist comments, the sort that have been made in some threads on here. This is already getting out of hand - and the self confessed racists are only proving their bigotry.

[briggie]

I vote delete this thread and the other one started by JACE!

This week i have seen the police take action against people using printouts from facebook. They were making racist comments, the sort that have been made in some threads on here. This is already getting out of hand - and the self confessed racists are only proving their bigotry.

seconded :thumb2

[tezzer]

are you going to do the same for Jace's thread? :nenau

i will not be posting on either, i think your only stirring trouble now, if you look back to one of your posts you wanted to close that thread, what did you do, opened another thread to cause trouble or your a wind up merchant :lol:nenau

[(RIP) PLANK]

i will not be posting on either, i think your only stirring trouble now, if you look back to one of your posts you wanted to close that thread, what did you do, opened another thread to cause trouble or your a wind up merchant :lol:nenau

I'm not a 'wind up merchant' nor am i an 'activist', merely challenging racism where it's found. Rewind Tezzer - Jace started the 'Fear factor' thread as the wind up, i merely posted an alternative view. I wanted to close the earlier thread to save the embarrassment to the club of any further racism, then Jace started his pol!

It appears you are sticking up for your partner in crime, again (and i do mean crime) and trying to put the blame for this on me, two words -GROW UP


shall we leave it there?

[jace]

stepped into the tent? :nenau

and from you reply, it seems he is 'odds on' going to get attacked by racists and have to defend himself, and that you have made some stereotypical assumptions!
the orignal founders of the sikh faith were asked to step up and be killed to show there religous conviction one by one they stepped up despite hearing the man before hims scream they were not killed but made into the founding fathers,the dagger is simble of the throat slitting that never happend.
snarling bull terriers was your words mate i took it to mean they were to be set upon the unfortnate lad i was merely pointing out the jack russel terreiers reputation as told by your good self!

[(RIP) PLANK]

the orignal founders of the sikh faith were asked to step up and be killed to show there religous conviction one by one they stepped up despite hearing the man before hims scream they were not killed but made into the founding fathers,the dagger is simble of the throat slitting that never happend.
snarling bull terriers was your words mate i took it to mean they were to be set upon the unfortnate lad i was merely pointing out the jack russel terreiers reputation as told by your good self!

In recent court cases bull terriers have been used for just that! (and yes it was also to make you bite - which you did!) and thats why yobs hide behind a straining leash 'to look hard' there are so many bad owners it's no wonder there are so many 'hard looking' dogs in rescue centers.

My dog is another story, she has a bad attitude, but mostly because she isn't a pet. no lounging in front of the fire, or lying on the settee having her tummy tickled. Her life is doing battle with the local wildlife on a daily basis :thumb2

[extreme-4x4]

You are a mother, home alone, who's teenage son should be on his way home walking from a friends house in the early evening on a dark December night.

You are a Sikh, who's brother serves in the army and who's grandfather died fighting against the Nazi's in Europe.

Your family have many generations of residence in Britain and all work hard and pay their taxes.

A gang of white skinheads in EDL hoodies chanting racist slogans and showing off with snarling bull terrier type dogs walks past your house - heading in the direction you know will mean they must bump inot your son walking home alone in the dark.

would you be frightened?


i think id be worried if i was a white mother home alone .... its far more common to get beaten up for being from the wrong side of town or not in with the in crowd .

however id also ring the police and report a disturbance of the peace and inciting racial hatred - because an actual crime has already been committed.


but then i wouldnt live in a place like that . nor would i choose to bring my children up there either

[extreme-4x4]

You are a mother, home alone, who's teenage son should be on his way home walking from a friends house in the early evening on a dark December night.

You are a Sikh, who's brother serves in the army and who's grandfather died fighting against the Nazi's in Europe.

Your family have many generations of residence in Britain and all work hard and pay their taxes.

A gang of white skinheads in EDL hoodies chanting racist slogans and showing off with snarling bull terrier type dogs walks past your house - heading in the direction you know will mean they must bump inot your son walking home alone in the dark.

would you be frightened?

this thread is also non inclusive. come on lads play by the rules. lets not discriminate against all walks of society

[Deleted account DD]

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wtf are you on about ?

I would suggest you take a few deep breaths.

Any dog will pin any other dog by the neck in certain circumstances :nenau



In recent court cases bull terriers have been used for just that! (and yes it was also to make you bite - which you did!) and thats why yobs hide behind a straining leash 'to look hard' there are so many bad owners it's no wonder there are so many 'hard looking' dogs in rescue centers.




Absolutely correct. Ive kept staffys all my life except for a short period due to natural progression which coincided with the very people you describe keeping them and pit bulls.

My current one is a point in case. Came from the RSPCA in August after a "bad start in life" . He's an absolute beauty, had the choice of (if I recall) about ten of them. Broke my heart.

[(RIP) PLANK]

but then i wouldnt live in a place like that . nor would i choose to bring my children up there either

Some people don't have any choice, and it is quite interesting that in modern Britain city centers are now safer than rural locations. Racist (and sad) violence is on the increase in remoter towns an villages! :nenau

[jace]

i would say not a lot of inner city areas very rough (chatsworth estate springs to mind!) and most violence is towards the white minority i am rural and read court reports avidly and see mostly drink drivers and no ins

[extreme-4x4]

Some people don't have any choice, and it is quite interesting that in modern Britain city centers are now safer than rural locations. Racist (and sad) violence is on the increase in remoter towns an villages! :nenau

everyone has choices if they apply themselves and prioritise what is most important to them and there family.

[(RIP) PLANK]

everyone has choices if they apply themselves and prioritise what is most important to them and there family.

if only life was that simple mate - everyone views the world from their own cultural paradigm and for most white working class and middle class people that is the 'nuclear family' ideology that was 'applied' by successive governments from the end of the first world war on, and had it's heyday on the 30's to the 50's. It made families more insular, break kinship networks and made people more reliant on the state - the main reason for this was 'social control'. An interesting study form way back when this was all going on is Willmott and Young's Family & Kinship in East London (1957.

So those options are only really considered by people who live this 'nuclear family' life style, ties to wider family and community keep a lot of people where they are. Which is , interestingly, something modern social policy is moving toward (once again) as a way of reducing welfare dependency and the 'nanny state'.

I do love a good bit of Social Policy :thumbs

[jace]

so is this incitement to murder on british streets with police officers stood there allowing it? <iframe title="YouTube video player" class="youtube-player" type="text/html" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/dBMbpYISn14" frameborder="0" allowFullScreen></iframe>

[(RIP) PLANK]

and your point?

because you have a film (and i haven't watched it) of one man (or a few) saying some things that may or may not be illegal, that it's OK to be a racist?

:augie


we just keep going over and over the same old ground!

[Karinofnine]

Plank, your mail box is full.

[jace]

look your bleating on about racisym who is being racist,saying people like that do not have a place in england is not racist it is common sence!.
are you saying hes a jolly nice chap and deserves to live here why dont you ring the home office and ask them to register your house as a bail hostel for all those nice chaps on control orders.
the race card isnt working mate its not a racist thing its public protection! islam is not a race it is a religion!

[(RIP) PLANK]

Plank, your mail box is full.

i'll get onto it straight away! :thumb2

[(RIP) PLANK]

look your bleating on about racisym who is being racist,saying people like that do not have a place in england is not racist it is common sence!.
are you saying hes a jolly nice chap and deserves to live here why dont you ring the home office and ask them to register your house as a bail hostel for all those nice chaps on control orders.
the race card isnt working mate its not a racist thing its public protection! islam is not a race it is a religion!

Jace - 'bleating' that's a bit rude - just talking mate :thumb2

right - Islam not a race? - correct nor is being German mate!
But it is an offense dealt with under the race relations act and in the context you are using it - it is racist.

And I've never suggested anyone is a jolly nice chap -have I?

People should be punished for extremist views - including racism - in your own way you are just as bad. He (I'm assuming, as i haven't looked) is a very unpleasant man - if the law is acting blame the law and get something changed - blame him as an individual - ore even him and people who think like him (including white racists) but blaming a whole faith and/or race is unacceptable.

[jace]

•A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
•A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
•A genealogical line; a lineage.
•Humans considered as a group.


Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/race-1#ixzz1C3vzZCen

[(RIP) PLANK]

•A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
•A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
•A genealogical line; a lineage.
•Humans considered as a group.


Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/race-1#ixzz1C3vzZCen

From the: 'American Heritage Dictionary' - Jace, last time i looked we were in Britain mate :augie Trust me I know about these things :thumbs

And this is just a pedantic point scoring thing now. I admire our tenacity, but face it mate - among reasonable people racism is unacceptable.

Under all this I'm sure your not a racist, just frustrated by a few peoples outrageous behavior, as are we all :thumb2

[jace]

i dont trust wikepedia its opinions after all!

[(RIP) PLANK]

i dont trust wikepedia its opinions after all!

what are you on about now? who refered to Wikipedia? I'm lost :nenau

[jace]

as a usualy quoted source!