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(RIP) PLANK
22-01-2011, 20:09
Debate: so who thnks this is a good thing, for the sailor or for the lads whose lives have been ruined by the legal action that followed?
Case Study: Indian sailor died after attack by gang of 20 youths
Gregory Fernandes, a 32-year-old sailor from Goa in India, was walking back to the cargo ship he worked on in Fawley, Hampshire when he and a friend were set upon by a 20-strong gang of youths. It was October 2007. Mr Fernandes was his family's breadwinner. A passerby broke up the fight and drove Mr Fernandes to his cargo ship, but he dropped dead from a heart attack.
Police concluded that the attack, which took place in a normally quiet backwater of Hampshire, had clear racist overtones. The gang had been shouting "Paki" during the assault. In January 2008, the Fernandes family expressed concern at the police investigation and the failure to charge anyone in connection with his death. Three young boys were later charged with his murder. At their trial in February 2009, the three admitted lesser charges of manslaughter. In March 2009, Stephen Pritchard, 18, Daniel Rogers, 18, and Chay Fields, 16, were sentenced to six-and-a-half years. A 15-year-old boy admitted GBH on Mr Fernandes' friend and was given a 12-month detention and training order. Another 15-year-old who admitted assault was given an 18-month supervision order.
source: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/racist-violence-migrates-to-the-country-2010997.html
i dont think its a good thing but i do belive it will become more common.. its been known for pakis around here to drag people in to cars off the side of the street and beat them for no other reason than there skins a different colour..
can see this topic running a few pages
i forgot to add.. it cant be good for the sailor as hes dead nor is it good for anybody to be in jail but hey they deserve all the jail time they get..
violence breeds violence
(RIP) PLANK
22-01-2011, 20:28
i dont think its a good thing but i do belive it will become more common.. its been known for pakis around here to drag people in to cars off the side of the street and beat them for no other reason than there skins a different colour..
can see this topic running a few pages
i forgot to add.. it cant be good for the sailor as hes dead nor is it good for anybody to be in jail but hey they deserve all the jail time they get..
violence breeds violence
But he wasn't violent, and he wasn't from Pakistan :doh
Peasgood
22-01-2011, 20:52
Racism shows an extreme and unpleasant lack of intelligence IMO.
There are plenty of things to judge a person on, colour of skin is not one of them.
but what about the other side coin asian gangs kidnap rape vunreble teenage girls gangs pakistani suicide bombers my mrs cousin set upon in own flat by gang asians who called him white trash etc etc i for one would pull our troops outve forein lands let em kill each other use them to protect our borders keep undesirables out and in eg football hooligans etc
But he wasn't violent, and he wasn't from Pakistan :doh
most cant tell the diferance from a paki/indian of srilanken sorry but it seems to be black or white..
he wasnt violent but nor are the lads what have been draged in to cars around here... were back to black and white again im afraid..
Debate: so who thnks this is a good thing, for the sailor or for the lads whose lives have been ruined by the legal action that followed?
Case Study: Indian sailor died after attack by gang of 20 youths
Gregory Fernandes, a 32-year-old sailor from Goa in India, was walking back to the cargo ship he worked on in Fawley, Hampshire when he and a friend were set upon by a 20-strong gang of youths. It was October 2007. Mr Fernandes was his family's breadwinner. A passerby broke up the fight and drove Mr Fernandes to his cargo ship, but he dropped dead from a heart attack.
Police concluded that the attack, which took place in a normally quiet backwater of Hampshire, had clear racist overtones. The gang had been shouting "Paki" during the assault. In January 2008, the Fernandes family expressed concern at the police investigation and the failure to charge anyone in connection with his death. Three young boys were later charged with his murder. At their trial in February 2009, the three admitted lesser charges of manslaughter. In March 2009, Stephen Pritchard, 18, Daniel Rogers, 18, and Chay Fields, 16, were sentenced to six-and-a-half years. A 15-year-old boy admitted GBH on Mr Fernandes' friend and was given a 12-month detention and training order. Another 15-year-old who admitted assault was given an 18-month supervision order.
source: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/racist-violence-migrates-to-the-country-2010997.html
plank. for someone who wanted to change the topic in our other thread, it seems a bit strange that YOU should start this thread, are you an activist?? because it seems as if you want to stir trouble, if you are against racism why start this thread, all you will do is upset the racist, like me, and then i will let you know the truths of while im a racist,. ok rant over i wont bite on this topic. :thumb2
if immagrants came here with a spesific skill needed by this country no one would realy care but when they bypass other countrys to get onto our easy going system and then crow about how hard done by they are and need sharia law p*ss off back to whence you came.
i have never voted as dont see a difference in the lying bstds who i have the choice from but if bnp fielded a candidate i and 99% people i know who never vote would vote due to this one isue.
(RIP) PLANK
22-01-2011, 23:41
Racism shows an extreme and unpleasant lack of intelligence IMO.
There are plenty of things to judge a person on, colour of skin is not one of them.
good point, very good point :thumbs
racisym just a form of free speech dont see it any different as being called fatty,baldy or ginga etc sticks and stones!
(RIP) PLANK
22-01-2011, 23:46
racisym just a form of free speech dont see it any different as being called fatty,baldy or ginga etc sticks and stones!
a major difference of course being the law :thumbs
maybe we should campaign to get law changed so that calling somebody fat,bald or ginger is illegal all are able to cause pain and anguish so i dont see how they are not illegal,just shows how stoopid the law is!
(RIP) PLANK
22-01-2011, 23:53
maybe we should campaign to get law changed so that calling somebody fat,bald or ginger is illegal all are able to cause pain and anguish so i dont see how they are not illegal,just shows how stoopid the law is!
well maybe that will comfort the family of the man in the story i posted, they can stand and cheer while a gang beats a fat ginger bloke to death :clap
i would not differentiate,if you were a fat bald ginger chap and were harrased constantly would you not feel the same hurt as a coloured chap called a paki or nigger or something simlair of course you would but it does not atract the same atention my case in point is poor woman who felt it nescery to set fire to her car with her and her disabled daughter inside it after recieving no help from police ,im betting if shed been anything other than a white english women police wouldve been queing up to help.
a major difference of course being the law :thumbs
the laws the law but it cant change the way we think.. i dont chose to dislike paki's and hate gays but i will always be thinking like that.. you just started this thred to cause trouble.. ya tit
the laws the law but it cant change the way we think.. i dont chose to dislike paki's and hate gays but i will always be thinking like that.. you just started this thred to cause trouble.. ya tit
my thoughts exactly larson,
carefull "tit" could be classed a sexist you know!
lacroupade
23-01-2011, 14:01
the laws the law but it cant change the way we think.. i dont chose to dislike paki's and hate gays but i will always be thinking like that.. you just started this thred to cause trouble.. ya tit
and thats the crux of it; I suspect peeps are not as 'racist' as they think - its more about the ways that some people take the pi55 out of the system that pee them off.
I mean my daughter has been going out with a muslim lad for over two years now and you wouldn't meet a nicer bloke. His dad has three of the best indian restaurants in the UK, pays lots of tax and is also a decent bloke.
On the other hand, my sister once married an illegal immigrant Kurd. He stayed til he got his passport (while working tax-free in a kebab joint), then divorced her and brought over a girl he married, she still doesn't speak a word of english and they have subsequently, depite him having a well paid full time job now at the Mini plant, got themselves a nice little council flat, all done up at the taxpayers expense, probably denying someone born and bred in this country who could have used it.
Apparently she has to pass an english exam soon or they will send her back home :)
and of course we all know good and bad white folks as well.
But at the end of the day its down to the Home Office and how it decides to manage the issue, and as long as there are free handouts to be had, they will keep coming.
Every time I come back from France through Paris - and I did again last week - I pass a dirty great shanty town full of the buggers - it makes my blood boil to know they'll soon be claiming my tax dollars....and often they are wandering loose in the port area trying to cadge a lift under the back of the trailer.:doh
there are some members on here that should visit that shanty town, i reckon they would get on well,:lol, not for long though.:augie:thumb2
one thing confuses me , if the bnp/edl et al are so popular and hold the views of the majority of the country ..... why are they not in government ? ..... could it be that the majority of the population dont agree with their policies ? .... surely not :eek:...... or maybe they dont have enough confidence in fielding a candidate ? :rolleyes:....or perhaps they dont support democracy ?
one thing confuses me , if the bnp/edl et al are so popular and hold the views of the majority of the country ..... why are they not in government ? ..... could it be that the majority of the population dont agree with their policies ? .... surely not :eek:...... or maybe they dont have enough confidence in fielding a candidate ? :rolleyes:....or perhaps they dont support democracy ?
and what confuses me is, why some people stand up for these immigrants, some are justifiably welcome, but the type who only come here to bleed the system dry, are in my opinion not welcome, perhaps you (pete) and some other immigrant lovers on here, could put up a family of god knows how many, so OUR children can have homes of their own, because my kids cant get a poxy council house because they are given to the immigrants first. what do you reckon any offers to house the aliens.
Deleted account DD
23-01-2011, 17:27
Racism shows an extreme and unpleasant lack of intelligence IMO.
There are plenty of things to judge a person on, colour of skin is not one of them.
:thumb2:clap
a major difference of course being the law :thumbs
and the law also extents to bullying........like calling people ginga, fatty etc when it is meant in a derogatory hurtful or intimidatory manner. Just so happens that racially motivated is the one thats needed specific legislation to get the unjustified attacks in hand. Thats mainly down to the bigots creating the problem.
Point of all this is we all have different perceptions and prejudices. If you didnt you wouldn't belong to the human race.
The difference comes in when you express those prejudices and they become discriminatory or your grown up enough not to.
You'll notice most racists have a very narrow understanding of the big wide world and are very easily knocked back.
As far as the how about the forced marriages and kidnap question, the message from home office and acpo is crystal clear. They are unacceptable.
What been done about them? shed loads, that very subject happens to fall within my missus specialist role. Describing her as proactive is an understatement. However most racists will never have spoken to a rep from an asian group or the victim of a forced marriage so I wouldnt expcet them to know or understand any of it. Thats bigotry for you.
Most racists who dont like the word or seeing it debated ususally dont have anything much to contribute beyond "send em back" and "why do you support them" two very bland sweeping wide open questions :doh:doh
Dont know if its really one for a nissan forum but good debate plank :thumb2
Deleted account DD
23-01-2011, 17:32
the type who only come here to bleed the system dry, are in my opinion not welcome
Agree without reservation if thats their purpose in being in the country, but its not just them who are shafting the system.
some other immigrant lovers on here,
Now that really is an interesting statement. Nowhere, but nowhere on here have I seen anyone declare carte blanche love for immigrants :nenau
Deleted account DD
23-01-2011, 17:37
one thing confuses me , if the bnp/edl et al are so popular and hold the views of the majority of the country ..... why are they not in government ? ..... could it be that the majority of the population dont agree with their policies ? .... surely not :eek:...... or maybe they dont have enough confidence in fielding a candidate ? :rolleyes:....or perhaps they dont support democracy ?
awww come on Pete, you now theyre a credible main stream democratic party. I mean just look how well their leader did on question time ...........
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Deleted account DD
23-01-2011, 17:38
there are some members on here that should visit that shanty town, i reckon they would get on well,:lol, not for long though.:augie:thumb2
nawww far too violent and noisy, gave that sort of thing up years ago. I like to live a little more comfortably nowadays
:naughty
lacroupade
23-01-2011, 17:41
Now that really is an interesting statement. Nowhere, but nowhere on here have I seen anyone declare carte blanche love for immigrants :nenau
I'd do the Cheeky Girls. Does that count? :lol
no where at all have i said i am a imigrant lover , i am however anti racist.... a subtle difference
perhaps a better question to ask is ... what do you consider to be truely english society
we shouldnt have immagrants they are suposed to claim asylum in the first eu country the come to,so why are they all sat in france waiting to come here froggies dont want em and shouldnt be in france as its never the first eu contry.
Deleted account DD
23-01-2011, 18:09
we shouldnt have immagrants they are suposed to claim asylum in the first eu country the come to,so why are they all sat in france waiting to come here froggies dont want em and shouldnt be in france as its never the first eu contry.
I dont think theres anyone would dispute with you the fact that those who cant get in lawfully to contribute should be allowed in :nenau subtle difference between that and racism.
Actually its about as subtle as a sledgehammer with a dayglo handle..........
a major difference of course being the law :thumbs
Racial Hatred
The Public Order Act 1986 contains the offences of inciting or stirring up racial hatred. It prohibits the use of threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or displaying any written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting with the intention of stirring up racial hatred or where racial hatred is likely to be stirred up.
Racial hatred is defined as hatred against a group of persons in the United Kingdom defined by reference to colour, race, nationality - including citizenship - or ethnic or national origins.
An offence may be committed in a public or a private place. No offence is committed however, where the words or behaviour are used, or the written material is displayed, by a person inside a dwelling and are not heard or seen except by other persons in that or another dwelling. The inadvertent use of words that are threatening, abusive or insulting is not an offence. A police officer may arrest without a warrant anyone he or she reasonably suspects is committing the offence.
There are other offences of publishing or distributing material; presenting or directing a play; distributing, showing or playing visual images or sounds; broadcasting a television programme, except programmes transmitted by the BBC; or distributing a cable programme with the same characteristics - that is, being threatening, abusive or insulting - and which is either intended to stir up racial hatred or likely to have this effect.
In addition, it is an offence to possess racially inflammatory material unless ignorant of its contents. The police can obtain a search warrant for such material and magistrates can order its forfeiture.
The Crime and Disorder Act 1998 gave statutory force to the idea of ‘racially aggravated offences’, and in 2001 this Act was amended to include religiously aggravated offences. Racially or religiously aggravated offences include assault, criminal damage, public order offences and harassment. An offence is racially or religiously aggravated if:
•At the time of committing the offence, or immediately before or after doing so, the offender demonstrates towards the victim of the offence hostility based on the victim’s membership – or presumed membership – of a racial or religious group.
•The offence is motivated wholly or partly by hostility towards members of a racial or religious group based on their membership of that group.
I f a person is convicted of the racially or religiously aggravated form of assault, criminal damage, public order offence or harassment, then the court has increased sentencing powers. In relation to other offences, if the offence is racially or religiously aggravated the court is required to treat it as an aggravating factor, that is, a factor that increases the seriousness of the offence.
Deleted account DD
23-01-2011, 18:12
perhaps a better question to ask is ... what do you consider to be truely english society
lmao........that will have em struggling to distort the truth :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol
Deleted account DD
23-01-2011, 18:13
I'd do the Cheeky Girls. Does that count? :lol
No theyre just tacky gold diggers, I always thought you had more class (despite driving a micra) :D
lacroupade
23-01-2011, 18:15
No theyre just tacky gold diggers, I always thought you had more class (despite driving a micra) :D
actually i lied, I stood behind them in the shop queue at Leigh Delamere services once ...two words....bad skin :D
we dont need immagrants weve enough unemployed yoof to train to any job,the fact we do is down to a useless labour government who ruined everything they touched and made several regions in the world so unstable you risk your life going to local market!
we dont need immagrants weve enough unemployed yoof to train to any job,the fact we do is down to a useless labour government who ruined everything they touched and made several regions in the world so unstable you risk your life going to local market!
then use your vote if you arent happy , thats what happens in a democracy
bnp do not field a candidate in my area and edl are not a polictical party nf dissapeered kkk not doing a lot hitlers dead so not much choice.people who support such partys are usally from lower incomes and do not have the benefit of union funding plus the established partys fear the competition and supress/try to ban them
Deleted account DD
23-01-2011, 18:49
bnp do not field a candidate in my area and edl are not a polictical party nf dissapeered kkk not doing a lot hitlers dead so not much choice.people who support such partys are usally from lower incomes and do not have the benefit of union funding plus the established partys fear the competition and supress/try to ban them
Thats probably because the labour party were shown as weak during the 70s, superseded in 80s-90s then tried to transform and failed badly losing the plot and their reason for being in the 90's until last year.
bnp do not field a candidate in my area and edl are not a polictical party nf dissapeered kkk not doing a lot hitlers dead so not much choice.people who support such partys are usally from lower incomes and do not have the benefit of union funding plus the established partys fear the competition and supress/try to ban them
so why exactly dont the bnp field a candidate in your area ? , surely a party with allegedly majority views should be able to fund its own campaign with its massive support then become elected
(RIP) PLANK
23-01-2011, 18:50
the laws the law but it cant change the way we think.. i dont chose to dislike paki's and hate gays but i will always be thinking like that.. you just started this thred to cause trouble.. ya tit
I'm not sure no how to do multiple quotes so I'll have to address things one at a time, sorry!
Larson, Yes i may be a Tit, (I'm sure it's not a racist term) though it does have many meanings in different languages, and agreed this thread is controversial. - But - you don't have to join it mate, you could say NO! :thumbs
Deleted account DD
23-01-2011, 18:51
bnp do not field a candidate in my area and edl are not a polictical party nf dissapeered kkk not doing a lot hitlers dead so not much choice.people who support such partys are usally from lower incomes and do not have the benefit of union funding plus the established partys fear the competition and supress/try to ban them
The lack of options is probably because the labour party were shown as weak during the 70s, superseded in 80s-90s then tried to transform and failed badly losing the plot and their reason for being in the 90's until last year.
Im sure govts dont ban those you mention because theyre scared of the competition, more through a dislike of inefficient and unfair extremism.
(RIP) PLANK
23-01-2011, 18:54
Briggie,
don't forget the original 1976 race relations act, and the amendment act of 2000! :thumb2
(RIP) PLANK
23-01-2011, 18:57
there are some members on here that should visit that shanty town, i reckon they would get on well,:lol, not for long though.:augie:thumb2
if it's me you mean, i may get on a lot better than you think. People are just people at the end of the day mate :thumb2
then use your vote if you arent happy , thats what happens in a democracy
and vote for who exactly, their all twats and are more interested in lining their pockets, han what is happening in this country cameron and c/o are lying their heads off and nothing gets done, we are to lazy/ scared to stand up to them,
and vote for who exactly, their all twats and are more interested in lining their pockets, han what is happening in this country cameron and c/o are lying their heads off and nothing gets done, we are to lazy/ scared to stand up to them,
stand as a candidate then
Deleted account DD
23-01-2011, 19:02
and vote for who exactly, their all twats and are more interested in lining their pockets, han what is happening in this country cameron and c/o are lying their heads off and nothing gets done, we are to lazy/ scared to stand up to them,
Its been shown time and time again that power corrupts.
How about the commies..........everyone is equal but some more than others.
How about Hitler, he hardly drove around wearing cheap clothes in a VW beetle drinking budget wines did he? no that was for the normal people.
History and common sense indicate todays extremists would be no different from the lining pockets perspective to any other politician once theyre in and can.
Why not go for it yourself?
if it's me you mean, i may get on a lot better than you think. People are just people at the end of the day mate :thumb2
yes it was you, you may get on for awhile but in the end they are so desperate they would think nothing of mugging you or god forbid worse just to get your money/papers etc, they are worse than animals, animals kill for food, they wouldn't, i think you getr my drift, and no malice was intended with my comment plank, :thumb2
(RIP) PLANK
23-01-2011, 19:04
and vote for who exactly, their all twats and are more interested in lining their pockets, han what is happening in this country cameron and c/o are lying their heads off and nothing gets done, we are to lazy/ scared to stand up to them,
The students weren't too lazy or too scared mate, and they are a multi-cultural and intelligent bunch on the whole, and also mostly British :augie
I've certainly changed my stance on head scarves lately :D
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs003.snc6/165372_187549254597236_100000264880065_654961_1098 153_n.jpg
Deleted account DD
23-01-2011, 19:36
I've certainly changed my stance on head scarves lately :D
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs003.snc6/165372_187549254597236_100000264880065_654961_1098 153_n.jpg
as with everyone on here Bat I wondered what you looked like generally, facially too , still dont know but thanks for publishing your pic :thumb2
students,pissing up war memmorials they should be sent to syberia university should be for usefull stuff no arty farty courses or politics engineering,nursng,medcine etc usefull stuff to rebuild our econemy.
sack the royals,german immagrants they are.
communisym dont work george orwell had it right!
IS THERE A REAR VIEW ON THAT LOL from one of your moroco trips eh mate!
The students weren't too lazy or too scared mate, and they are a multi-cultural and intelligent bunch on the whole, and also mostly British :augie
very true, but what a shame the minority had to ruin a very well organised demo. :thumb2
imagine being muslim and catching pig flu howd you square that one with mohamed lol
I've certainly changed my stance on head scarves lately :D
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs003.snc6/165372_187549254597236_100000264880065_654961_1098 153_n.jpg
i'd like to know what she has planned for him, :doh
http://englishdefenceleague.org/content.php?176-Where-we-are-heading
edl
(RIP) PLANK
23-01-2011, 20:09
yes it was you, you may get on for awhile but in the end they are so desperate they would think nothing of mugging you or god forbid worse just to get your money/papers etc, they are worse than animals, animals kill for food, they wouldn't, i think you getr my drift, and no malice was intended with my comment plank, :thumb2
maybe, maybe not, you can't assume anything about people. And some of the politics behind what you see (shanty towns) are very unsavory, but very complex. Too complex for here.
Peasgood
23-01-2011, 20:14
Sack the Royals for being immigrants?
The Queen has worked extremely hard all of her life to do her best for this country.
Charles has certainly done his best, and his children appear to be heading in the right direction.
Pretty typical view of the "throw the immigrants out" brigade. Get rid of the people that work hard and put a great deal into both the economy and society.
Most people want to come here to work and improve their lot, not sponge off the system. Don't get me wrong, there should be some limits and the doors shouldn't be wide open as they sometimes appear to be, but don't underestimate just how much work the incomers do. There are a massive amount of natives that are nothing short of being parasites. Change the rediculous system we put in place before blaming our ills on people coming into the country.
I employ Eastern Europeans for part of the year. Reason being they work hard, are reliable, honest, generally intelligent and are trustworthy. All the things that seem to be lacking in the natives that sometimes drift through claiming to want work. The natives if they actually manage to turn up do not pull their weight and are generally a complete waste of space.
I would prefer to do a swap rather than send all the immigrants back.
Deleted account DD
23-01-2011, 20:23
I agree Peasgood and my experiences 2009/2010 tend to support your comments.
I am acquainted with a polish builder who did some excellent work for us.No fuss. I paid him the going rate I would have paid any builder.
He is now working driving a bus and paying his way in life whilst studying. His family also fought in WW2 to help GB.
Rather a different story to the local builder who tried to rip us off and blamed us for his going bust when I kicked him off the job.
Funnily enough I dont think his threats to take us to court materialised because he had no money. What we'd paid him for being on site had been spent in the bookies when he was skiving.
No brainer really isnt it ;)
(RIP) PLANK
23-01-2011, 20:24
students,pissing up war memmorials they should be sent to syberia university should be for usefull stuff no arty farty courses or politics engineering,nursng,medcine etc usefull stuff to rebuild our econemy.
sack the royals,german immagrants they are.
communisym dont work george orwell had it right!
IS THERE A REAR VIEW ON THAT LOL from one of your moroco trips eh mate!
Arty farty? that view is so daft mate, it's hard to even begin to argue :lol
the word that a philosopher would use is 'epistemology' it makes a very interesting debate but sadly i don't think this is the place :doh
Deleted account DD
23-01-2011, 20:28
the word that a philosopher would use is 'epistemology' it makes a very interesting debate but sadly i don't think this is the place :doh
Ahhhh..........but isnt that derived from a greek word?
Completely unacceptable on here !!!!!!!!!
For some anyway :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol
(RIP) PLANK
23-01-2011, 20:31
Ahhhh..........but isnt that derived from a greek word?
Completely unacceptable on here !!!!!!!!!
For some anyway :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol
Interesting fact - there are over 3000 Indian words in use in the English language, as an example 'bungalow' is one.
Should we send all them back too? :augie :lol
Deleted account DD
23-01-2011, 20:33
Interesting fact - there are over 3000 Indian words in use in the English language, as an example 'bungalow' is one.
Should we send all them back too? :augie :lol
Perhaps the more extreme folk around who dont like "non english" things should avoid using them ?
Be quite an entertaining conversation :D:D:D:D
(RIP) PLANK
23-01-2011, 20:38
Perhaps the more extreme folk around who dont like "non english" things should avoid using them ?
Be quite an entertaining conversation :D:D:D:D
yes an interesting experiment, lets also take out all the Greek, Latin, French, Nordic. etc and see what's left - not much!
but then if we DNA tested the population to try and find the real Brits, there would be even less of them left to speak the very restricted language.
perhaps they could argue between themselves in a phone box :lol
Deleted account DD
23-01-2011, 20:39
yes an interesting experiment, lets also take out all the Greek, Latin, French, Nordic. etc and see what's left - not much!
but then if we DNA tested the population to try and find the real Brits, there would be even less of them left to speak the very restricted language.
perhaps they could argue between themselves in a phone box :lol
Ugg :thumb2
whats the mrs boots gota do with things!
if there here illegally send em back,if there not native ie born here send em back,if i dont like look of em send em back! boot royals out cost us a fortune in security and allowences and all there off shore buisness/property deals get rid save us fortune
Deleted account DD
23-01-2011, 21:06
Narp :naughty
now heres a thing,your not racist love em all ahve nothing to fear blah blah,your sat on a bus/train reading the metro asian chap rucksack on gets on sweating with nerves keeps looking at his watch/phone stinks bit bleachy do you stay on bus/train (another five stops till your stop) or do you get off asap or stay on till your stop?
after all there not all bad and we live in a multicultural society!
Deleted account DD
23-01-2011, 22:23
now heres a thing,your not racist love em all ahve nothing to fear blah blah,your sat on a bus/train reading the metro asian chap rucksack on gets on sweating with nerves keeps looking at his watch/phone stinks bit bleachy do you stay on bus/train (another five stops till your stop) or do you get off asap or stay on till your stop?
after all there not all bad and we live in a multicultural society!
silly , silly question?
yarp :thumb2
before this starts to get silly and people fall out , may i suggest we leave this topic as im sure everyone is aware of each others views by now , and it doesnt do the forum any good to see adults squabbling not to mention engage in illegal activities .
Deleted account DD
23-01-2011, 22:34
before this starts to get silly and people fall out , may i suggest we leave this topic as im sure everyone is aware of each others views by now , and it doesnt do the forum any good to see adults squabbling not to mention engage in illegal activities .
yarp :thumb2
a very valid question obviously by not answering it i take it that you would have gotten of the bus,my mrs felt so nervous the other day she did exactly that she is of yougaslavian decsent and has 3 cousins who have different coloured parents yet she felt so nervous in warwick, a quiet country town she got of damn bus early that is what you get for bending to far left and being frightend to say anything for fear of upsetting certain races.
yes an interesting experiment, lets also take out all the Greek, Latin, French, Nordic. etc and see what's left - not much!
but then if we DNA tested the population to try and find the real Brits, there would be even less of them left to speak the very restricted language.
perhaps they could argue between themselves in a phone box :lol
thats what im saying, they have taken over already. :lol:thumbs
before this starts to get silly and people fall out , may i suggest we leave this topic as im sure everyone is aware of each others views by now , and it doesnt do the forum any good to see adults squabbling not to mention engage in illegal activities .
illegal activities
does that include some of your jokes then?? they are aimed at certain people, ie Irish, Scots, welsh, scousers, brummies, it is still making fun of them, and not right is it??
illegal activities
does that include some of your jokes then?? they are aimed at certain people, ie Irish, Scots, welsh, scousers, brummies, it is still making fun of them, and not right is it??
the difference is in the wording of the act ....... inciting racial hatred
Deleted account DD
23-01-2011, 22:54
a very valid question obviously by not answering it i take it that you would have gotten of the bus,my mrs felt so nervous the other day she did exactly that she is of yougaslavian decsent and has 3 cousins who have different coloured parents yet she felt so nervous in warwick, a quiet country town she got of damn bus early that is what you get for bending to far left and being frightend to say anything for fear of upsetting certain races.
By not answering I have actually let you serve up a very poor answer in presuming I would get off the bus.
You do not know enough about me and my history to make that assumption :nenau
What you say above demonstrates clearly the problem with presumptions or assumptions and the problem with not asking questions or doing your homework aka the wider picture :thumb2
Please dont take that as a personal criticism, it isnt and doesnt mean youre a bad person i like many of your posts, but you set yourself up as an example of many of the made in this thread ;)
Thomas-the-Terrano2
23-01-2011, 22:56
in the imortal words of the manic street preachers.
if i can shoot rabbits, then why cant i shoot facists...
actually is a hater of facists to that degree a facist himself?
did you you hear the one about a bigot that couldnt take a
joke?.....no? well hang around here long enough they usually
like buses come in 3s!
oh nearly forgot ;) not.
Deleted account DD
23-01-2011, 22:56
does that include some of your jokes then?? they are aimed at certain people, ie Irish, Scots, welsh, scousers, brummies, it is still making fun of them, and not right is it??
If youre offended, challenge whats said when its said. :thumb2
Deleted account DD
23-01-2011, 22:59
actually is a hater of facists to that degree a facist himself?
.
first off , a man of good taste, knew i liked you , a manics fan ? :bow
However , I think youve kicked off another debate there with the hater comment (short answer imho is no ;) ) :augie
If youre offended, challenge whats said when its said. :thumb2
are you joking dave, have you seen the amount of jokes briggie posts, :lol:clap
Deleted account DD
23-01-2011, 23:05
are you joking dave, have you seen the amount of jokes briggie posts, :lol:clap
I'll concede that one :lol
lacroupade
23-01-2011, 23:05
are you joking dave, have you seen the amount of jokes briggie posts, :lol:clap
He's got a point; I have to have a man in to read 'em for me. :lol
Thomas-the-Terrano2
23-01-2011, 23:11
He's got a point; I have to have a man in to read 'em for me. :lol
oo-er missus, in my best frankie howard,
Deleted account DD
23-01-2011, 23:15
oo-er missus, in my best frankie howard,
now that could be construed as homo-comedyhistoric istic likening the fairly "normal" lacroupade to mr howerd ,be careful...........be very careful :naughty:naughty :D
Thomas-the-Terrano2
23-01-2011, 23:18
now that could be construed as homo-comedyhistoric istic likening the fairly "normal" lacroupade to mr howerd ,be careful...........be very careful :naughty:naughty :D
ah but i threw it delibrately to see how many biggots tied themselves in knots
trying to determine if they could admit to liking such a comic genius knowing
what he did in his private life... oh dilemmas, dilemmas.
Deleted account DD
23-01-2011, 23:25
ah but i threw it delibrately to see how many biggots tied themselves in knots
trying to determine if they could admit to liking such a comic genius knowing
what he did in his private life... oh dilemmas, dilemmas.
:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol
taking the mick (no anti irish intention) outve a dead homasexual in order to try and get a reaction not the best is it!
most of the rant on here seems to be against ilegal immagrants and suicide bombers and peoples fear of being blown up on public transport not about a dead guys sexuality and whether someones gonna call him a poof and was he or was he not shaggin cliff richard!
(RIP) PLANK
23-01-2011, 23:37
taking the mick (no anti irish intention) outve a dead homasexual in order to try and get a reaction not the best is it!
most of the rant on here seems to be against ilegal immagrants and suicide bombers and peoples fear of being blown up on public transport not about a dead guys sexuality and whether someones gonna call him a poof and was he or was he not shaggin cliff richard!
no mate, sorry most of it isn't there is only you brought that up and only in one post i believe.
My original point was regarding an Indian man beaten to death by racists, I still think that was very wrong and i was hoping that others would agree.
I think this thread has been useful, it has shown that none of the racists arguments are valid, and that - thankfully- the real tolerant and understanding nature of British people has shown through :thumb2
A good debate all round, thanks for the interest everyone :clap
i dont think the racist argument has been won,no one has had guts to admit they would get off bus early if young,nervous asian man got on carrying a rucksack looking at his phone/watch all time inocent or not could you? would you? take that chance?
maybe put the question to a poll?
turning the above situation around ..... if a white man carrying a rucksack , stinking of bleach / chemicals , got on your bus , and was sweating profusely looking at watch etc ..... would you get off the bus ? .or.not because he was white ?
(RIP) PLANK
23-01-2011, 23:46
i dont think the racist argument has been won,no one has had guts to admit they would get off bus early if young,nervous asian man got on carrying a rucksack looking at his phone/watch all time inocent or not could you? would you? take that chance?
So what is your opinion on the Indian sailor who was beaten to death? That was the start of the thread. This latest question is designed to do what? show people can be scared or nervous? that some Asian people are criminals? Murderers even? but none of that was ever in question. What was, is that Racism is wrong.
And I think - to people who see the point, they do just that - see the point, and maybe those who don't never will, and i think that is sad for all of us :(
extreme-4x4
23-01-2011, 23:48
i dont think the racist argument has been won,no one has had guts to admit they would get off bus early if young,nervous asian man got on carrying a rucksack looking at his phone/watch all time inocent or not could you? would you? take that chance?
maybe put the question to a poll?
give it a shot . you can set a poll up yourself .
but if i got off the bus dont make me racist . just makes me careful or feeling worried... i could just as easily be worried by some white kid acting in an odd way .... or a woman for that matter .
christ... id hate to get raped by some big boobed ginger haired gay woman even if she was deaf making her disabled .
well it might happen . should i lock myself in the house so she dont get me ffs
ah but i threw it delibrately to see how many biggots tied themselves in knots
trying to determine if they could admit to liking such a comic genius knowing
what he did in his private life... oh dilemmas, dilemmas.
i don't have a problem with gays/ lesbians, as long as they keep away from me, i hope you haven't come on here to stoke the fire and wind people up with your comment.
(RIP) PLANK
23-01-2011, 23:50
i don't have a problem with gays/ lesbians, as long as they keep away from me, i hope you haven't come on here to stoke the fire and wind people up with your comment.
it wouldn't be hard would it :augie
I think this thread has run it's course now, shall we all agree to leave it there?
i quite like the lesbian thing unfortnatley the mrs dont seem to keen on the idea!
come on plank dont be borin its just like the good ol days sharky,cammeraman,mav pulling his hair out lol!
extreme-4x4
23-01-2011, 23:52
So what is your opinion on the Indian sailor who was beaten to death? That was the start of the thread. This latest question is designed to do what? show people can be scared or nervous? that some Asian people are criminals? Murderers even? but none of that was ever in question. What was, is that Racism is wrong.
And I think - to people who see the point, they do just that - see the point, and maybe those who don't never will, and i think that is sad for all of us :(
beating someone to death is wrong. for whatever reason ... race i cant see is a valid part of the question
Thomas-the-Terrano2
23-01-2011, 23:55
have i touched a nerve?
oh well shit happens
turning the above situation around ..... if a white man carrying a rucksack , stinking of bleach / chemicals , got on your bus , and was sweating profusely looking at watch etc ..... would you get off the bus ? .or.not because he was white ?
NO, he is probably is a "janitor" going to work. :naughty
Peasgood
24-01-2011, 00:00
christ... id hate to get raped by some big boobed ginger haired gay woman even if she was deaf making her disabled .
well it might happen . should i lock myself in the house so she dont get me ffs
Wierd isn't it. That wouldn't bother me too much. :nenau
extreme-4x4
24-01-2011, 00:04
here is a more valid question . one that will throw everyone !
what crime was committed ?
man gets beaten to death by 20 youths
or
man from india or where ever (im not that bothered to re read it all ) was born in india and happens to have dark skin .
beaten to death no matter waht colour! being born in india no crime being over here illegaly would be a crime (not that he was)
extreme-4x4
24-01-2011, 00:12
beaten to death no matter waht colour! being born in india no crime being over here illegaly would be a crime (not that he was)
but has no relevance to planks question ..... if he had asked the right question in the first place
Debate: so who thnks this is a good thing, for the sailor or for the lads whose lives have been ruined by the legal action that followed?
Case Study: Indian sailor died after attack by gang of 20 youths
extreme-4x4
24-01-2011, 01:14
Debate: so who thnks this is a good thing, for the sailor or for the lads whose lives have been ruined by the legal action that followed?
Case Study: Indian sailor died after attack by gang of 20 youths
but the only crime committed is the attack and the man dying
the fact he was from india has no more relevance than the fact he was a sailor or had size 9 feet he could have been gay or disabled too but they are not crimes either .
lacroupade
24-01-2011, 10:19
but the only crime committed is the attack and the man dying
the fact he was from india has no more relevance than the fact he was a sailor or had size 9 feet he could have been gay or disabled too but they are not crimes either .
Its relevant insofar as it would seem theres a good chance he was picked on by a gang of thugs (i) because he was alone and at the end of the day they are just a bunch of spineless w*nkers, and (ii) probably because of his colour. And he's just a sailor, far from home, minding his own business in what is supposed to be a civilised country.....
I'm off to start a gay thread now :)
(RIP) PLANK
24-01-2011, 13:17
beating someone to death is wrong. for whatever reason ... race i cant see is a valid part of the question
I think you are getting the wrong end of the stick, the man was beaten to death because of the color of his skin! and for no other reason (well none that we or the courts that dealt with it are aware of) So in the context of the story that started the debate his 'race' is a relevant issue.
Briggie, i agree those lads lives have been ruined, and spreading racist propaganda and opinions forms the attitudes that made them think it was OK to do that, so who is to blame? both for this mans death and the ruined lives of those lads - Racism and Racists :thumb2
how do we know it was his colour and not just drunken louts he cant tell us can he!
fatty,baldy!
That's me that is... :)
Alan
(RIP) PLANK
24-01-2011, 14:10
how do we know it was his colour and not just drunken louts he cant tell us can he!
:doh read the story! you mean to say you have made all these comments and don't even know what the thread is about - typical racist jumping on the bandwagon :lol
I love these comments they are what this thread was all about and make my point wonderfully :clap
extreme-4x4
24-01-2011, 19:37
to make an unbiased view id need to obtain the facts i would want . evidence or transcripts of the hearing . it would be wrong to base my opinions on what a paper is allowed to print .
would it not be dangerous to allow the papers or anyone to have full control of your thinking and opinions many powerful people throughout history, have had people following there nasty propaganda . and millions of innocent people have been murdered and tormented . based on what is allowed to be printed .
sad that most people choose to believe without question . just what is written in print.
is it not better to question , what is the norm . have your own thoughts .
and question what people want you to beleive...
oh and plank im not picking on your thread personally, you know me better than that . im not even that fussed . im in the same view as tt2 was on that woman who got murdered .... its not happened anywhere near me. plenty more local stuff goes on , but never reaches the news .
maybe this story did because it rattles a few cages and gets a reaction from EVERYONE
(RIP) PLANK
24-01-2011, 20:05
to make an unbiased view id need to obtain the facts i would want . evidence or transcripts of the hearing . it would be wrong to base my opinions on what a paper is allowed to print .
would it not be dangerous to allow the papers or anyone to have full control of your thinking and opinions many powerful people throughout history, have had people following there nasty propaganda . and millions of innocent people have been murdered and tormented . based on what is allowed to be printed .
sad that most people choose to believe without question . just what is written in print.
is it not better to question , what is the norm . have your own thoughts .
and question what people want you to beleive...
oh and plank im not picking on your thread personally, you know me better than that . im not even that fussed . im in the same view as tt2 was on that woman who got murdered .... its not happened anywhere near me. plenty more local stuff goes on , but never reaches the news .
maybe this story did because it rattles a few cages and gets a reaction from EVERYONE
And with that you have hit my point firmly on the head, this thread was a follow on to the 'mothers banned for being British thread' where it appeared it was OK for the racists among us us to swallow it hook-ine-and-sinker. But should anyone dare speak out against them they were to be branded 'immigrant lovers' and 'activists'. I was merely putting the shoe on the other foot.
The irony of it (quite predictably) went straight over their heads - as it appears to have with the 'fear factor' and fear factor 2' threads.
we have seen no reasonable arguments for a racist point of view, and as any reasonable person knows, racism is never, has never, will never be a good thing!
There are no historic examples of good racism only bad ones :thumb2
extreme-4x4
24-01-2011, 20:16
but that is the same. as todays big news that fuel is possibly going to be on a quoter and could be as much as 175 a litre ......
that is just another thing the high up people want you to read .... so when your paying 140 a litre . you think the world is not as bad as it could be ....
well it bloody is .... i was pi55ed off at a pound a litre ..... im kin seething now at 130 -140 .
its just propaganda and the paper love it as does the government.
it keeps the majority in line
this country has selective rascisym,iraq was invaded to save its people from an evil tyrant who persucuted them yet saudi arabia had public stonnings,limb amputations yet were not invading them maybe flogging them billions £ worth of weapons and stopping investigation into bungs!
i would also argue both world wars were racist towards germany!
(RIP) PLANK
24-01-2011, 20:23
but that is the same. as todays big news that fuel is possibly going to be on a quoter and could be as much as 175 a litre ......
that is just another thing the high up people want you to read .... so when your paying 140 a litre . you think the world is not as bad as it could be ....
well it bloody is .... i was pi55ed off at a pound a litre ..... im kin seething now at 130 -140 .
its just propaganda and the paper love it as does the government.
it keeps the majority in line
Well said that man! and all this blaming the immigrants for everything is proof of the propaganda 'divide-em-and-rule' tactics working!
when we had threads on the fuel crisis, the racists jumped in banging on about immigration then and i made the same point.
it's time to pack in all this divisive nonsense and concentrate on mutually important issues.
A tongue in cheek P.S. that £1.75 a liter story, wasn't in the paper was it? don't believe everything you read :augie
Deleted account DD
24-01-2011, 20:32
For those who are in any doubt :
Section 28 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 provides a definition of the term 'racially or religiously aggravated' for the purposes of section 29 (aggravated assaults), section 30 (aggravated criminal damage), section 31 (aggravated public order) and section 32 (aggravated harassment).
28(1) An offence is racially or religiously aggravated for the purposes of sections 29 to 32 if-
(a) at the time of committing the offence, or immediately before or after doing so, the offender demonstrates towards the victim of the offence hostility based on the victim's membership (or presumed membership) of a racial or religious group; or
(b) the offence is motivated (wholly or partly) by hostility towards members of a racial or religious group based on their membership of that group.
Deleted account DD
24-01-2011, 20:36
and Mr Bigot who opened his gob then apealed and lost when rightly convicted:
R is an incapacitated man aged 52 years. On his way home along a pavement on his 'mobility scooter' he encountered three Spanish women. R was in drink and following an altercation he called the women "bloody foreigners" and told them to "go back to their own country" before pursuing them to a kebab house in an aggressive manner.R was convicted of using racially aggravated abusive or insulting words or behaviour with the intent to cause fear or provoke violence contrary to section 31(1)(a) of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998. The prosecution argued that R's behaviour had demonstrated hostility towards the women based on their racial group whereas R argued that 'foreigners' did not constitute a racial group as defined by section 28 of the Act therefore a finding of hostility based on membership of a racial group could not be made.
The Court of Appeal held that where an offence is racially motivated for the purposes of section 28 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 the defendant must first form the view that the victim is a member of a racial group as defined in section 28(4) of the Act. Something had then to be said that demonstrated hostility towards the victim as a member of that racial group. Hostility based on the fact that a person was 'foreign' could be just as objectionable as if it were based on a more specific racial characteristic.
DPP v M (2005) EWCA Crim 889 had been correctly followed but it should be noted that section 28 was designed to deal with racial behaviour; prosecutions, therefore, should not be brought unless the facts truly suggest that the offence was aggravated by racism - compare where vulgar abuse had included racial epithets that did not indicate hostility to the race in question.
R appealed to the House of Lords arguing that hostility had to be shown towards a particular group as opposed to foreigners as a whole, mere xenophobia could not be said to be regarded by the ordinary person as hostility towards a racial group for the purposes of section 28 of the 1998 Act.
Deleted account DD
24-01-2011, 20:38
Appeal dismissed. Conviction upheld.
Section 28(4) defines a racial group beyond groups defined by colour, race or ethnic origin and included nationality, citizenship and national origin which was deliberately done so by Parliament. The statute also intended that a broad approach be taken as opposed to a construction made up of distinctions. It follows that the offences do not require particular words to be used and the necessary hostility could be demonstrated also by actions such as the wearing of swastikas. "Foreigners" and those who are not British undoubtedly constituted a racial group within section 28(4)
it would seem to me no matter what colour/race the sailor was he was gonna get a kicking and the very fact he walked away from 20 lads suposedly beating on him says three things he was as hard as nails,they were crap fighters or the asault was grossly over hyped to make prosecuting force seem hard on race crime.
im all for a free debate , but one thing concerns me about the possible implications of engaging in a illegal activity ... ie inciting racial hatred ...... im not sure of the implications of that collectively as a forum.... i suspect that in the worse case scenario the forum could be closed down , but i dunno , im not trying to be dramatic im just trying to make people aware of the possible implications..... none of us want that to happen to this great forum surely ? .... im sure someone in the know will either dismiss or confirm my fears
extreme-4x4
24-01-2011, 20:49
Well said that man! and all this blaming the immigrants for everything is proof of the propaganda 'divide-em-and-rule' tactics working!
when we had threads on the fuel crisis, the racists jumped in banging on about immigration then and i made the same point.
it's time to pack in all this divisive nonsense and concentrate on mutually important issues.
A tongue in cheek P.S. that £1.75 a liter story, wasn't in the paper was it? don't believe everything you read :augie
i dont read newspapers .... i listen to radio 2 , but still only listen . i make my own opinions lol
extreme-4x4
24-01-2011, 20:55
im all for a free debate , but one thing concerns me about the possible implications of engaging in a illegal activity ... ie inciting racial hatred ...... im not sure of the implications of that collectively as a forum.... i suspect that in the worse case scenario the forum could be closed down , but i dunno , im not trying to be dramatic im just trying to make people aware of the possible implications..... none of us want that to happen to this great forum surely ? .... im sure someone in the know will either dismiss or confirm my fears
if you dont allow discussions about peoples views . are you not removing peoples right to speak , or think .
discussions and talking ... is learning
and to be fair to everyone tolerance of peoples views and beliefs is being shown here partly . so everyone is learning
Deleted account DD
24-01-2011, 20:58
it would seem to me no matter what colour/race the sailor was he was gonna get a kicking and the very fact he walked away from 20 lads suposedly beating on him says three things he was as hard as nails,they were crap fighters or the asault was grossly over hyped to make prosecuting force seem hard on race crime.
You really really dont want to take in whats written do you :doh:doh
Fact:
They shouted "Paki" at him.
Fact:
They fought with him
Then consider:
Section 28 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 provides a definition of the term 'racially or religiously aggravated' for the purposes of section 29 (aggravated assaults), section 30 (aggravated criminal damage), section 31 (aggravated public order) and section 32 (aggravated harassment).
28(1) An offence is racially or religiously aggravated for the purposes of sections 29 to 32 if-
(a) at the time of committing the offence, or immediately before or after doing so, the offender demonstrates towards the victim of the offence hostility based on the victim's membership (or presumed membership) of a racial or religious group; or
(b) the offence is motivated (wholly or partly) by hostility towards members of a racial or religious group based on their membership of that group.
So whats pimped up , ambiguous or anything to do with anyone being "a crap fighter" in there :nenau
they shouted paki coz he was indian if hed have been white they could have shouted w*nker or sommat like that my point was it couldve been anyone the poor chap just happend to be in wrong place at wrong time,20 drunken lads full of it anyones gonna get it.
the fact he was taken away alive makes me suspect it wasnt a serios asault but shock etc kickin in caused his heart atack later on,which killed him a complication of the attack not the actual attack.
unlike the white chap who went out to remonstrate with some yobbos outside his house and was kicked to death no heartatack for that poor sod.
just so i dont get dizzy , can we stick to one thread with a similar debate ... my poor mouse is wizzing about like mad :rolleyes:
Deleted account DD
24-01-2011, 21:15
they shouted paki coz he was indian if hed have been white they could have shouted w*nker or sommat like that my point was it couldve been anyone the poor chap just happend to be in wrong place at wrong time,20 drunken lads full of it anyones gonna get it.
the fact he was taken away alive makes me suspect it wasnt a serios asault but shock etc kickin in caused his heart atack later on,which killed him a complication of the attack not the actual attack.
unlike the white chap who went out to remonstrate with some yobbos outside his house and was kicked to death no heartatack for that poor sod.
This is hard work.
Effectively youre talking bollocks based on presumptions.
Principally which bit of calling someone "paki" do you not see as potentially racist ???????? which bit of giving him a kicking dont you see as an assault???????????
and which bit of the two combined do you fail to see (Ive posted the staute for you) as a racially motivated attack ? IRRESPECTIVE of all other speculative points !!!!!!!!!!!!!
All the other bits are speculation, its not what happened nor is it what would have definitely happened. Your argument could easily be negated by saying the white person attacked could have been a first dan with his mates round the corner (i used to go out on the piss from the judo club and two of our mates national and international competitors) ........see what i mean :thumb2
ok ill keep it simple for you yes it was an asault the fact is if you or i were there it could well of been us the poor chap was in the wrong place at wrong time i do not differentiate between races a life is a life how is his life worth any more than yours or mine?
ying tong ying tong ying tong diddle i po ........ sorry need my meds :o
Deleted account DD
24-01-2011, 21:46
a life is a life how is his life worth any more than yours or mine?
Where did anyone even intimate that ??????????????
The convicted individuals effectively committed 2 offences on this occasion.
They assaulted him then aggravated it by racial hatred. Easy really.
If you were assaulted youd want a conviction for assault against the individual.
If they emptied your pockets and took your car and wallet you'd want them doing for that too.
They would be. Robbery. Effectively assault and theft :nenau
A conviction is a conviction. Doesnt mater what offences it takes to get them sent down.
As I said way back, the racial part was not brought in as a crowd pleaser . there was a real need for it in our green and pleasant land thanks to the bigots and thick heads.
Deleted account DD
24-01-2011, 21:46
ying tong ying tong ying tong diddle i po ........ sorry need my meds :o
Yarp :D
Im bored now
(RIP) PLANK
24-01-2011, 23:31
ok ill keep it simple for you yes it was an asault the fact is if you or i were there it could well of been us the poor chap was in the wrong place at wrong time i do not differentiate between races a life is a life how is his life worth any more than yours or mine?
:clap
and that includes everyone on benefits whether black white or somewhere in between.
everyone who comes here seeking a better life ... (see above)
and in fact everyone everywhere - Jace your life and mine are worth no more or less than anyone huddled in a a makeshift shack in a shanty town in Calais!
and that is why i am not a racist and racism is WRONG!
we have issues with our government, past and present, so lets focus on that and drop the racism.
Jace - I believe you are deep down not a bigot and not a racist, just one of the people swayed by the media frenzy and the simplistic logic of groups like the EDL. It takes good people like us to see this is wrong and to stand up to it before anything will change.
blimey...its taken me ages to read through this.
im not a lawyer but im sure they are suposed to claim asylum at first safe eu country they come to and that sure aint good ol blighty! were seen as soft touch i dont care if there white,black, or pink with green spots kick em out and im sory but you wanna burn poppys at a home coming for troops (troops not politicians theres a difference!) who are trying and dying to make there islamic brothers and sisters safe you forfeited your right to live here GET OUT feel so strongly britains culture is wrong that you wanna blow yourself and inocent people up GET OUT go to a country where they would stone you to death if you even dared draw a cartoon of allah same goes if your a sikh who tried to burn down cinema for highlighting incest in your comunity or atack a gathering at a temple because wine was being served in same room as the holy book bugger off we dont need that leave the irish to fend for themselves they wanna be seperate fine raise your own money stop taking english money same for scotland and wales.
(RIP) PLANK
25-01-2011, 12:52
im not a lawyer but im sure they are suposed to claim asylum at first safe eu country they come to and that sure aint good ol blighty! were seen as soft touch i dont care if there white,black, or pink with green spots kick em out and im sory but you wanna burn poppys at a home coming for troops (troops not politicians theres a difference!) who are trying and dying to make there islamic brothers and sisters safe you forfeited your right to live here GET OUT feel so strongly britains culture is wrong that you wanna blow yourself and inocent people up GET OUT go to a country where they would stone you to death if you even dared draw a cartoon of allah same goes if your a sikh who tried to burn down cinema for highlighting incest in your comunity or atack a gathering at a temple because wine was being served in same room as the holy book bugger off we dont need that leave the irish to fend for themselves they wanna be seperate fine raise your own money stop taking english money same for scotland and wales.
A few full stops would have helped in that mate!
but there are so many political issues between here and an asylum seekers country of origin, you are going to need an understanding of international asylum law to understand that statement. It's to complicated for here.
This is just getting embarrassing now :o
its an easy fix take afghanistan build power plants,sewage,water works etc give them jobs here standard of life goes up they wanna watch jeremy vile and laugh at us western pigs instead of killing each other once countrys prosperous they can show us a thing or two like every other bugger has done lol
im not a lawyer but im sure they are suposed to claim asylum at first safe eu country they come to and that sure aint good ol blighty! were seen as soft touch i dont care if there white,black, or pink with green spots kick em out and im sory but you wanna burn poppys at a home coming for troops (troops not politicians theres a difference!) who are trying and dying to make there islamic brothers and sisters safe you forfeited your right to live here GET OUT feel so strongly britains culture is wrong that you wanna blow yourself and inocent people up GET OUT go to a country where they would stone you to death if you even dared draw a cartoon of allah same goes if your a sikh who tried to burn down cinema for highlighting incest in your comunity or atack a gathering at a temple because wine was being served in same room as the holy book bugger off we dont need that leave the irish to fend for themselves they wanna be seperate fine raise your own money stop taking english money same for scotland and wales.
Wow. Referring to an earlier post, Jace, did you really infer that Hitler had some good points? Just for the record....
im sure he did and im sure his mother loved him lol,i was saying you could argue ww1 and ww2 were racist towards germany who were sucked in by a mad man much like this country by tony biar and gearge bush!
(RIP) PLANK
25-01-2011, 13:13
im sure he did and im sure his mother loved him lol,i was saying you could argue ww1 and ww2 were racist towards germany who were sucked in by a mad man much like this country by tony biar and gearge bush!
:doh the penny has just dropped, this is a wind up isn't it? now i see it it's quite funny :thumbs
im sure he did and im sure his mother loved him lol,i was saying you could argue ww1 and ww2 were racist towards germany who were sucked in by a mad man much like this country by tony biar and gearge bush!
You mean that there were people swayed by his racist propoganda! Couldn't happen here could it. :augie
(RIP) PLANK
25-01-2011, 13:18
You mean that there were people swayed by his racist propoganda! Couldn't happen here could it. :augie
excellent :clap
depends do you believe war in iraq/afghanistan is right? if you do or voted for labour you were sucked in! i was not.
i dont see whats racist about not wanting undesirable people in this country claiming they cant go home because theyll be killed but campaining against this country.
maybe abu hamza as a house guest? or maybe invite these chaps round for spot of lunch?
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(RIP) PLANK
25-01-2011, 14:09
You mean that there were people swayed by his racist propoganda! Couldn't happen here could it. :augie
"and some fell on stony ground" Mark 5:4 :augie
holy shit.
Hitler?
WTF?
Germany the victims of racism? WTF? Hitler started the war with his racist ways. Fact. The German people, well, they have nothing to do with it, do they? It was between the politicians, and the army, whatever the population thought during the war is irrelevent.
this has to be a giggle?? surely?
lacroupade
25-01-2011, 14:38
depends do you believe war in iraq/afghanistan is right? if you do or voted for labour you were sucked in! i was not.
i dont see whats racist about not wanting undesirable people in this country claiming they cant go home because theyll be killed but campaining against this country.
maybe abu hamza as a house guest? or maybe invite these chaps round for spot of lunch?
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do you believe the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are justified????? Perhaps you could explain the benefits then...?
and what about a bit of media balance....
http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/8636086.Croydon_s_Ahmadiyya_youths_praised_for__fa ntastic__Remembrance_Day_fundraising/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1227483/Scouts-shouted-Lets-kill-Jews-Poppy-Day-parade.html
(RIP) PLANK
25-01-2011, 14:42
holy shit.
Hitler?
WTF?
Germany the victims of racism? WTF? Hitler started the war with his racist ways. Fact. The German people, well, they have nothing to do with it, do they? It was between the politicians, and the army, whatever the population thought during the war is irrelevent.
this has to be a giggle?? surely?
My feelings entirely! and the fact that the some of same ethic minorities that were affected badly Ay both world wars are still being pushed from pillar to post today by both the asylum system, and the refusal of some EU member states to recognise their right to travel live and work in the EU only compounds this outrage.
If it wasn't funny - it would be frightening :eek:
if you read it properly i dont think the two wars are justified and are based on lies spun by bliar and bush the idea of enriching there lives and raising there living standars would seem a good way of turning them against al queda and taliban.
so im right aplying the definition of racisym means the wars could be considered racist towards the germans who were just puppets in hitlers game its only took several answers on same thing lol.
and if some eu states refuse them leave why is britain not taking them to the court of human rights for failing in there duty to acept and protect them from harm,there fore every immagrant here on asylum grounds is here illegally and should be returned to 1st eu state they passed through en route!
and no one has exsplained to me why the peole in u tube vid are welcome here and if theyd invite them round for tea and biscuits or do all you liberal love em alls think burning poppys and shouting during rememberance day parades for the peole that got them there rights to say such stuff.
(RIP) PLANK
25-01-2011, 16:24
Jace,
being German isn't a 'race' it's a nationality, and to suggest the German people were the victims in the second world war is a bit much. Though i can see where you are coming from, they were the victims of right wing propaganda, in much the same way as EDL and BNP members are today. Fundamentalist brainwashing obviously still works, the same way it is working on some Islamic people.
Quote Jace"and if some eu states refuse them leave why is britain not taking them to the court of human rights for failing in there duty to acept and protect"
A valid point, a complex issue too, but that points to what i have been saying all along - the governments of the world and their policies are to blame for many present problems, blaming people doesn't help and merely helps governments dodge their responsibilities.
And i agree some of the people here in Britain have no rights to be here, and the law may be failing us in not enforcing that. Burning Poppies is a disgrace (as is burning the Koran) and people who do such things should be punished - people who don't shouldn't and that includes many law abiding Muslims!
so i am racist but you are not but you now agree these kindve peole have no right to be here and you wouldnt want them round for dinner anytime soon kindve proves i was right all along everybody has a bit of racisym in them.
edl non racist org and has booted people off its facebook pages for using the word paki a word i see as an abreviation/slang term.
its like the word nigger commonly used in rap songs(commonly found blasting outve teenage sons bedroom ) and movies yet slammed as racist double standards.
my work here is done i have proved myself correct!
(RIP) PLANK
25-01-2011, 16:46
so i am racist but you are not but you now agree these kindve peole have no right to be here and you wouldnt want them round for dinner anytime soon kindve proves i was right all along everybody has a bit of racisym in them.
edl non racist org and has booted people off its facebook pages for using the word paki a word i see as an abreviation/slang term.
its like the word nigger commonly used in rap songs(commonly found blasting outve teenage sons bedroom ) and movies yet slammed as racist double standards.
my work here is done i have proved myself correct!
No i have no racism in me at all mate - I've been the victim of enough of that to know how it feels!
My pint is i don't think criminals should be allowed here, and people who stir up trouble an hatred should either. If they are British subjects they should be punished, if from overseas punished (and where appropriate) sent back home.
you work has not proved you correct at all, just proved you are confused and misguided.
the EDL are a bunch of clowns, and represent the thin end of the wedge - if their war is with Islam them spread the word of Christianity, support the C of E. I watched a bunch of EDL thugs shouting abuse at an elderly Sikh man! says it all doesn't it?
The 'N' word and the 'P' word are unacceptable - agreed. And double standards - Agreed. I have had this conversation only a few days ago with a group of police officers and Pakistani Asian people. And we all agreed!
It seems to be you who are jumping at everything being 'racist' and confuse many issues with each other - and that (i repeat) is all you have proved!)
You have made some valid points, and your heart is in the right place, there are many injustices in society - but it is important to lay the blame at the right door not just keep banging on all these messages of hate, Muslims, Pakistanis, Asylum seekers, The royal family, I'm sure there are more, but you see my point.
incidentally the 'P' word has a completely different origin and meaning to that most people assume.
i proved my point you wrote exactly what i have been saying lol
edl is not a racist org it may have ome followers that sre but so does islam,the difference being as yet no edl person has walked into a crowded tube/bus and blown themselves up! or posted videos on you tube for people worldwide to hunt down and kill a cartoonist who drew a silly cartoon so slight difference.
as i said you have agreed virtualy word for word so i have proven my point,my work is done lol!
I fell upon this thread and read as much as I could before it made me feel sick.
I just can't believe there are still people around with some of these stupid backward opinions. For christ sake this is not the seventies. Those of you with these disgusting views on race relations will one day be a victim of your own hatred, if you haven't already. Sure there are muslims who hate westerners. Sure there are black people who hate whites. I hate them as much for their stupid hatred, but I hate them as individuals, not as a race.
I've seen teenagers attack older folk and I hate them for doing so but I don't hate teenagers.
I find this sort of blind stupid hatred pathetic. Most of you idiots with these ideas clearly can't tell the difference between races because they have similar coloured skin so they are all the same. Do you hate other white people. French, Russian, women.
Please don't try and justify your opinions by claiming to be patriotic. I love my country but I don't act like a backward fool because of it.
There has been comments posted about how different other races are treated in this country, by this country, and how unfair that is and how we should hate everyone of different race. Let me remind you, it was people with your racial hatred that started all this decades ago. These laws of protection have been put there to protect them from racialist morons. I agree it is over the top now and I agree there are plenty that will and do abuse our system, so just think for a minute how responsible you and your like are for the system we have. If you moved to a land of plenty and were offered the same deal, are you saying you wouldn't take it.
Of course, some of you will disagree with my views and you are perfectly entitled to do so, and good for you for living in a country that tolerates people like you.
Let me finish with one question for this club. Why are people who express their offences racist views on your site allowed to stay members?
another one who wont or cant be bothered to read, now where have i called anyone offensive names etc? i have called for people who hate this country and its sensible ocupants to sod off no matter what colour/race they are,people who want sharia law to stone people to death,people who think it correct to burn poppys on remeberence day or walk onto trains/busses blow themselves and others to bits or is that aceptable in your version of england?
and to cap it all plank who has disagreed all along comes out with same statement!
(RIP) PLANK
25-01-2011, 17:01
Mikey, that's telling it like it is mate :thumb2
Though i do think staying members, and friends, is positive as if not it will merely entrench their views that it's all 'PC gone mad' and 'immigrant loving' the the likes of the EDL will be free to work on them with no balanced opposite view for them to consider.
SO i vote no to racism and yes to open debate and discussion in a safe environment with the hope exploding some of the myths and lies that support racist views :thumb2
9/11 myth,july 7th myth, glasgow airport myth these were racist acts as they were directed against the british public for who the poppy symbolises the fight of my grandad and co to get these idiots the right to protest on english streets,would you be allowed to do simlair in iran,china for example no !
I fell upon this thread and read as much as I could before it made me feel sick.
I just can't believe there are still people around with some of these stupid backward opinions. For christ sake this is not the seventies. Those of you with these disgusting views on race relations will one day be a victim of your own hatred, if you haven't already. Sure there are muslims who hate westerners. Sure there are black people who hate whites. I hate them as much for their stupid hatred, but I hate them as individuals, not as a race.
I've seen teenagers attack older folk and I hate them for doing so but I don't hate teenagers.
I find this sort of blind stupid hatred pathetic. Most of you idiots with these ideas clearly can't tell the difference between races because they have similar coloured skin so they are all the same. Do you hate other white people. French, Russian, women.
Please don't try and justify your opinions by claiming to be patriotic. I love my country but I don't act like a backward fool because of it.
There has been comments posted about how different other races are treated in this country, by this country, and how unfair that is and how we should hate everyone of different race. Let me remind you, it was people with your racial hatred that started all this decades ago. These laws of protection have been put there to protect them from racialist morons. I agree it is over the top now and I agree there are plenty that will and do abuse our system, so just think for a minute how responsible you and your like are for the system we have. If you moved to a land of plenty and were offered the same deal, are you saying you wouldn't take it.
Of course, some of you will disagree with my views and you are perfectly entitled to do so, and good for you for living in a country that tolerates people like you.
Let me finish with one question for this club. Why are people who express their offences racist views on your site allowed to stay members?
to be honest we were having an interesting debate, (maybe not to every ones taste) but if you dont like it DONT read it, as for staying as members you need to get a grip mate, chill out, we have all had words over this but we still talk so what is the problem.
Deleted account DD
25-01-2011, 17:26
I fell upon this thread and read as much as I could before it made me feel sick.
I just can't believe there are still people around with some of these stupid backward opinions. For christ sake this is not the seventies. Those of you with these disgusting views on race relations will one day be a victim of your own hatred, if you haven't already. Sure there are muslims who hate westerners. Sure there are black people who hate whites. I hate them as much for their stupid hatred, but I hate them as individuals, not as a race.
I've seen teenagers attack older folk and I hate them for doing so but I don't hate teenagers.
I find this sort of blind stupid hatred pathetic. Most of you idiots with these ideas clearly can't tell the difference between races because they have similar coloured skin so they are all the same. Do you hate other white people. French, Russian, women.
Please don't try and justify your opinions by claiming to be patriotic. I love my country but I don't act like a backward fool because of it.
There has been comments posted about how different other races are treated in this country, by this country, and how unfair that is and how we should hate everyone of different race. Let me remind you, it was people with your racial hatred that started all this decades ago. These laws of protection have been put there to protect them from racialist morons. I agree it is over the top now and I agree there are plenty that will and do abuse our system, so just think for a minute how responsible you and your like are for the system we have. If you moved to a land of plenty and were offered the same deal, are you saying you wouldn't take it.
Of course, some of you will disagree with my views and you are perfectly entitled to do so, and good for you for living in a country that tolerates people like you.
Let me finish with one question for this club. Why are people who express their offences racist views on your site allowed to stay members?
:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap
Deleted account DD
25-01-2011, 17:29
9/11 myth,july 7th myth, glasgow airport myth these were racist acts as they were directed against the british public for who the poppy symbolises the fight of my grandad
ah sod it, post deleted. This thread has definitely ran its course
no ones got the inteligence to read things properly and form there own opinion theyve all jumped on the immaginery racist bandwagon for browny points,no wonder this country so f*cked up lol!
Plenty of repeating going on here. A racist act or opinion isn't white against black, it's one race against another. Attacks against Whites or westerners because we are white or western is just as racist as the other way round and it's hateful. Do you think for one minute that white invading armies showed their black, brown, yellow or green natives any respect whatsoever.
I understand opinions against poppy burning, it's an awful thing to do and you can see the hatred in their stupid faces (my granddad fought in the war as well). It's the same hatred you see in the faces of some skinheads chanting "blacks out" under a political banner. I don't hate skinheads bye the way, just those individuals.
You don't see the offending skinhead or muslim being pulled out of the crowd. The law tends to view these disgraceful instances equally. Shame some of you don't.
As far as "if you don't like it don't read it" is concerned let me say this "if you don't like or even expect my type of response don't put you backward opinions on public display where members can read them.
Finally, and this is finally because I will not be part of any club that tolerates these views on public display, let me make my position very clear. Keep your idiotic and hateful opinions to yourself. If you can't, why don't you all meet up privately and pat each other on the back and start hanging out as a gang. Maybe you could put white hoods on so nobody can see how stupid you are!!
I have had my moment.
Good bye.
another one that agrees with what ive said basicly lol
(RIP) PLANK
25-01-2011, 18:02
no ones got the inteligence to read things properly and form there own opinion theyve all jumped on the immaginery racist bandwagon for browny points,no wonder this country so f*cked up lol!
is the phrase 'if the cap fits' the right one, or is it the one about the 'pot and the kettle'
no i'm sure it's the one about the cap :augie
MudLifeCrisis
25-01-2011, 18:03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmALA8miQY8
(RIP) PLANK
25-01-2011, 18:04
another one that agrees with what ive said basicly lol
who? I've ssen no one agree with you so far, no one at all! as i said you have some valid points but overall it's best to quote catherine Tate's Nanna:
'what a load of old shite' :lol
(RIP) PLANK
25-01-2011, 18:05
no ones got the inteligence to read things properly and form there own opinion theyve all jumped on the immaginery racist bandwagon for browny points,no wonder this country so f*cked up lol!
or was it the one about jumping on the bandwagon - the tabloid press EDL rabble rousing bandwagon - this is how Hitler got started you know, a few simple ideas sown like weeds in simple minds :doh
hmm cant quite remember the quote but its some thing like a man who stands idly by and watches is as guilty of as bigger crime as the perpretrator of the crime.
any way both you and mikey have both said the same thing as what ive been saying so i am not alone in condeming these people lol
(RIP) PLANK
25-01-2011, 18:35
hmm cant quite remember the quote but its some thing like a man who stands idly by and watches is as guilty of as bigger crime as the perpretrator of the crime.
any way both you and mikey have both said the same thing as what ive been saying so i am not alone in condeming these people lol
That is a quote by Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797), Anglo-Irish British Statesman, Author, Orator, Philosopher and Political Theorist.
"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing."
and in this case the evil, is racism, bigotry and ignorance :thumb2
Peasgood
25-01-2011, 18:44
I haven't seen any particularly offensive racist comments on this thread. :confused:
If I had, I would be gone too.
There's enough waffle to register on the Richter scale, but not found anything offensive. :nenau
I haven't seen any particularly offensive racist comments on this thread. :confused:
If I had, I would be gone too.
There's enough waffle to register on the Richter scale, but not found anything offensive. :nenau
i agree, and nothing personnel, :thumbs
(RIP) PLANK
25-01-2011, 18:46
I haven't seen any particularly offensive racist comments on this thread. :confused:
If I had, I would be gone too.
There's enough waffle to register on the Richter scale, but not found anything offensive. :nenau
You are right, most of the comments are borderline at the most, but this topic has now run across 4 separate threads.
Mothers banned for being British
Fear factor
Fear factor 2
Racism in Britain today.
To be fair when it comes to racist comments Jace is not the worst offender.
i suspect that these threads are bit of a wind up ....:sly
(RIP) PLANK
25-01-2011, 18:56
i suspect that these threads are bit of a wind up ....:sly
maybe a tad, from me, and in the case of the 'other contributer' I definitely hope so :doh
going back to the question in hand who has been affected the most
well the dead man's family would have been affected the most
secondly the tax payer £155,530 this crime just cost per year
the lads that were convicted havnt really had that bad of a change for as few months out of a life, get a nice bed and a nice telly with some nice food that is given to them 3 times a day, also they get a basic wage for being in prison just to sit and chat crap amongst other criminals, and most of the time don't really actually deter any one from doing wrong just makes them more determined not to get caught
racism is bollox and as law is massively driven against the indigenous people
our country is great at this lets see you try to build a church in a Muslim countries town centers, would it even happen
i am not racist and dont intend to become such
but as it sits as a british person i can get called a brit/brit's but cant call a pakistani a paki/paki's
personally i think we should redo the Australian thing all over again have a bit of land and put all criminals on their and fight for them selves
the thing that very sad about this country is their is nothing here for any one the better life people come here to seek out isnt their their is no free speech and their is no equality
great britain should be change to just britain, united kingdom should be changed to kingdom
get rid of the government and get rid of the royal family, stop the nhs, stop the benefit for people that choose not to work.
the above are the biggest drain in this countries finances
redo the government with power to the people not the dictatorship we have now, and actually let the people choose the way we spend money
(RIP) PLANK
25-01-2011, 19:51
going back to the question in hand who has been affected the most
well the dead man's family would have been affected the most
secondly the tax payer £155,530 this crime just cost per year
the lads that were convicted havnt really had that bad of a change for as few months out of a life, get a nice bed and a nice telly with some nice food that is given to them 3 times a day, also they get a basic wage for being in prison just to sit and chat crap amongst other criminals, and most of the time don't really actually deter any one from doing wrong just makes them more determined not to get caught
racism is bollox and as law is massively driven against the indigenous people
our country is great at this lets see you try to build a church in a Muslim countries town centers, would it even happen
i am not racist and dont intend to become such
but as it sits as a british person i can get called a brit/brit's but cant call a pakistani a paki/paki's
personally i think we should redo the Australian thing all over again have a bit of land and put all criminals on their and fight for them selves
the thing that very sad about this country is their is nothing here for any one the better life people come here to seek out isnt their their is no free speech and their is no equality
great britain should be change to just britain, united kingdom should be changed to kingdom
get rid of the government and get rid of the royal family, stop the nhs, stop the benefit for people that choose not to work.
the above are the biggest drain in this countries finances
redo the government with power to the people not the dictatorship we have now, and actually let the people choose the way we spend money
a fine example of the mix of positive statement and complete nonsense that make this debate so interesting :thumb2
er...whos Mikey? wow, hes got a cob on, hasnt he? anyway, if anything, these sort of debates, although very upsetting to some, are just that, debates. Everyone still appears to get along, heck, we have all had these debates at one time or another with each other, and all it does is help us learn about each other, frankly, i think we all get along much better due to this sort of thread!
It certainly aint a "lets all spread some hatred" thread, its a discussion, like what you see on telly, so although I understand Mikeys comments, I'd just like to say that I most certainly am not, STUPID. I also dont think that anyone else who has posted on this thread is stupid either, because there are many good, well thought out opinions that show intelligence and consideration AND I have read alot of tolerance too-apart from losing larson, and probably Mikey for what ever reasons, everyone appears to be getting along.
good day.
time for tea.
lacroupade
25-01-2011, 21:48
er...whos Mikey? wow, hes got a cob on, hasnt he? anyway, if anything, these sort of debates, although very upsetting to some, are just that, debates. Everyone still appears to get along, heck, we have all had these debates at one time or another with each other, and all it does is help us learn about each other, frankly, i think we all get along much better due to this sort of thread!
It certainly aint a "lets all spread some hatred" thread, its a discussion, like what you see on telly, so although I understand Mikeys comments, I'd just like to say that I most certainly am not, STUPID. I also dont think that anyone else who has posted on this thread is stupid either, because there are many good, well thought out opinions that show intelligence and consideration AND I have read alot of tolerance too-apart from losing larson, and probably Mikey for what ever reasons, everyone appears to be getting along.
good day.
time for tea.
what happened to Larson?:nenau
Deleted account DD
25-01-2011, 21:48
losing larson,
missed that one, wheres he gone?
lacroupade
25-01-2011, 21:49
missed that one, wheres he gone?
ooh great minds think alike eh?! :augie
Deleted account DD
25-01-2011, 21:51
ooh great minds think alike eh?! :augie
spookey :D
and even more spooky thats caused me to make the first posting on page 13
oh...sorry guys...I got a text off him, he said hes requested his account to be removed, due to this thread :(
i cant read why, because what ever hes put isnt there anymore in the thread so...I wont press him on it, I dont want to upset him but he said he was fed up with it.:nenau
Deleted account DD
25-01-2011, 21:54
oh...sorry guys...I got a text off him, he said hes requested his account to be removed, due to this thread :(
i cant read why, because what ever hes put isnt there anymore in the thread so...I wont press him on it, I dont want to upset him but he said he was fed up with it.:nenau
silly sod, tell him to get his arse back on here :thumb2
oh...sorry guys...I got a text off him, he said hes requested his account to be removed, due to this thread :(
i cant read why, because what ever hes put isnt there anymore in the thread so...I wont press him on it, I dont want to upset him but he said he was fed up with it.:nenau
the strange thing is clive , that a heck of a lot of what hes saying makes sense
silly sod, tell him to get his arse back on here :thumb2
I tried, he seemed upset. Im going to be speaking to him again on Saturday I think, so ill ask him to come back, but i think his reason for leaving is based on the racism issues, I dont think he likes getting drawn in to them because his views on racism, are, well, not well recieved. BUT, lets not discuss that, its his decision, but ill see what he says on Saturday and hopefully he will come back.
the strange thing is clive , that a heck of a lot of what hes saying makes sense
not for the reasons you think.
Deleted account DD
25-01-2011, 21:59
not for the reasons you think.
very cryptic :confused:
very cryptic :confused:
sorry yep, see my other post explaining what i know above. Pete seems to think Larson has left because of this thread, but its not that exactly.
Deleted account DD
25-01-2011, 22:02
sorry yep, see my other post explaining what i know above. Pete seems to think Larson has left because of this thread, but its not that exactly.
Its a thicker plot than a very thick plot in a vat of thick treacle :naughty
Its a thicker plot than a very thick plot in a vat of thick treacle :naughty
nah , its a even thicker plot than that
who was/is larson or because his acounts gone all his posts gone used to happen a lot in old days!
ive met larson , a great bloke :thumb2
Deleted account DD
25-01-2011, 22:08
who was/is larson or because his acounts gone all his posts gone used to happen a lot in old days!
Dont know. At one time the posts used to stay but no id to them :nenau
Think I'll blame you :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol
lacroupade
25-01-2011, 22:11
I tried, he seemed upset. Im going to be speaking to him again on Saturday I think, so ill ask him to come back, but i think his reason for leaving is based on the racism issues, I dont think he likes getting drawn in to them because his views on racism, are, well, not well recieved. BUT, lets not discuss that, its his decision, but ill see what he says on Saturday and hopefully he will come back.
thats just daft....when a debate is so two-sided, one side or the other is going to 'receive' his views surely?
And at the end of the day, theres no need to get drawn into anything. Its just hot air for goodness sake :thumb2
ah well another scalp to the collection lol another catherine tate quote "bothered" lol but i am prepared to give guy an apology if it was down to me cant be fairer than that!
Deleted account DD
25-01-2011, 22:12
Its just hot air for goodness sake :thumb2
speak for yourself balloon man :D
im very sad that a member of our community has chosen to leave because of our actions , be it direct or indirect, i hope that isnt the case , but thats how i read it :(
extreme-4x4
25-01-2011, 22:14
sorry yep, see my other post explaining what i know above. Pete seems to think Larson has left because of this thread, but its not that exactly.
explain then!
at least this time no ones threatend to smash some chaps front door in with an axe mind you chap did have a pathfinder lol
lacroupade
25-01-2011, 22:17
at least this time no ones threatend to smash some chaps front door in with an axe mind you chap did have a pathfinder lol
eh? :confused:
explain then!
well, i think we have had similar threads in the past, so its a culmination of them all, he doesnt like getting into the arguments etc, so thats why he has left. at least thats how i understand it.
lacroupade
25-01-2011, 22:32
well, i think we have had similar threads in the past, so its a culmination of them all, he doesnt like getting into the arguments etc, so thats why he has left. at least thats how i understand it.
bloody daft - theres about 998 other members that don't bother getting involved as well but they don't clear off?
Crikey you should see some of the shite they come out with on my Zed forum....such a bunch of girlie butt-clenching tossers...I got told off on about my third post for suggesting where someone could download some software for nothing....you'd think I'd posted on the Fraud Squads website that I had a good idea for copying £50 notes.....I sent the admin a mail telling them to eff off and mind their own business but miraculously I didn't get banned!!
But a thread like these would have been deleted within seconds over there....not exactly democratic/free speech is it?:augie
thats what this forum used to be like mate youd post sommat and ten mins later whoosh bang gone one mods has swipped it, no swearing no starring out letters its all gone downhill since bat bought it lol a certain mod who cleared of to corc forum was far to heavy handed.
a member from here got a bit overzealous to chappy on bats www.uknissan4x4.com thretend to pop round to ponds house and smash door down with axe,we all new it wasnt gonna happen but pond realy believed it and signed out changed his email the lot lol
(RIP) PLANK
25-01-2011, 23:25
I'm sad he has left, have his posts really gone? If only he had stayed until the end, he would have seen it was all just business as usual :nenau
(RIP) PLANK
25-01-2011, 23:27
I'm not sure no how to do multiple quotes so I'll have to address things one at a time, sorry!
Larson, Yes i may be a Tit, (I'm sure it's not a racist term) though it does have many meanings in different languages, and agreed this thread is controversial. - But - you don't have to join it mate, you could say NO! :thumbs
it couldn't have been that post that did it, could it?
sounds like a drugs advert lol"just say no!",oh ill 2nd the tit bit and add it could be construed as sexist lol
explain then!
seeing your a moderator colin, dont you know what went on, :nenau
at least this time no ones threatend to smash some chaps front door in with an axe mind you chap did have a pathfinder lol
:lol:doh
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extreme-4x4
26-01-2011, 00:09
sounds like a drugs advert lol"just say no!",oh ill 2nd the tit bit and add it could be construed as sexist lol
certainlyfalls into the name calling bit of the rule book.
and no i didnt intervene , as i took it with a pinch of salt. but to complain about peoples free right to speak and or our moderating of the site . and our refusal to censor what members are allowed to discuss . i think is wrong
its been the sites way since bat took over . to allow this kind of stuff. and i agree . and im sure most can see although it gets heated occasionally it does work itself out without any trouble . and people can learn from one another
interesting thought though was it not larson who protested about tits on the site even started the anti boob poll. and then chose to include tit in his posts :confused:
have to say site much more chilled now no pms from mods telling you to stop being naughty boy lol
extreme-4x4
26-01-2011, 00:24
seeing your a moderator colin, dont you know what went on, :nenau
no he didnt come to me with any complaints , but the rules are quite clear. as i have spent lots of posts and pm's to him explaining the rules of the site.
not seen any formal complaints or notes or intervention from the site owner either.
and on a personal note whilst some think this thread is or has been racist. i think its better to look at it as informative and educational .
from a moderating point of view , these threads do become very very hard work to moderate , and sometimes you do have to act quickly and fairly to make sure no one over steps the line , be that legally or with threats or name calling . so if you could all consider that next time you start these threads .....
and just a note . if anyone does feel unhappy with a thread or post . or anything on the site . feel free to contact one of the moderators we are here to help and make sure you are happy on the site and safe
extreme-4x4
26-01-2011, 00:27
have to say site much more chilled now no pms from mods telling you to stop being naughty boy lol
it does and will happen if the rules are broken ... trust me
Peasgood
26-01-2011, 00:47
I don't know if much or if anything has had to be deleted from this thread but fair does to the members, it has all been fairly rational and non offensive stuff.
I reckon there has been a great deal of crap that the mods have had to wade through, and fair does to them too. :thumb2
I admin a different site and I think I might have been very tempted to delete the thread right from the beginning. :lol
ah well another scalp to the collection lol another catherine tate quote "bothered" lol but i am prepared to give guy an apology if it was down to me cant be fairer than that!
it wasnt.
Thomas-the-Terrano2
26-01-2011, 12:01
hell, what have missed off line couple of days backing up my data online
pre restore!
think names can be divisive?
part of many problems is the term paki, when used for anyone from asian
descent.
historically, i believe pakistan was part of india, then gained independence.
paskistaniis may be generally muslim though not 100%, just as indians might
be sikh or other.
guess bit like a brit being called a frog or a crout, even french or german
you'd likely take offence...
now combine with f'ing what ever, and its all going down hill faster than
gravity!
best approach do as you would be done to.
lacroupade
26-01-2011, 12:29
hell, what have missed off line couple of days backing up my data online
pre restore!
think names can be divisive?
part of many problems is the term paki, when used for anyone from asian
descent.
historically, i believe pakistan was part of india, then gained independence.
paskistaniis may be generally muslim though not 100%, just as indians might
be sikh or other.
guess bit like a brit being called a frog or a crout, even french or german
you'd likely take offence...
now combine with f'ing what ever, and its all going down hill faster than
gravity!
best approach do as you would be done to.
Well its a good point and lets explore it shall we, because we might see why these people have such a chip on their shoulders eh?
Pakistan didn't exist as a state before 1947 and partition took place at the end of the British Empire rule (yes it was us chaps), when an essentially religious split was enforced, with secular India on the one hand, and islamic Pakistan on the other.
In the process some 12-13 million people were displaced and estimates of between several hundred thousand and a million dead.
So we invade the country, rape and pillage it for 200 years, decide we've had enough so then f*ck off and leave it with some artificially imposed segregation that causes serious suffering and death. I think I'd be a little bit ticked off in the circumstances.:thumb2
Why do I take the trouble to learn this? Because my mother was born in Karachi and carried a lot of the culture with her throughout her life. And like A.N.Other member, I have sympathy with the genuine Romany community (and lets not start on that shall we, my underlining was specific and intentional) through old and close family connections to the fairs in years gone by.
And am I bothered by racist comments? Umm... water off a ducks back mate!
And lets remember its not that long since it was the asian and black communities that bore the brunt of things, not to mention republican irish, and before that the jews and so on ad nauseam.
Whatever anyone likes to think (and its why I take no offence on this stuff because people don't always express their true concerns properly) the core issue is about 'someone' taking our housing, benefits, women etc.. or engaging in terrorism. That 'someone' could be a little green man for all it matters.....we then go out and 'hate' little green men! But the fact is, we could have a very nice one living next door, working and paying taxes and we wouldn't make a fuss!:)
Thats why I am pretty secure in the knowledge that there isn't a genuine 'racist' on this site, just people who seen or received the sh1tty end of the stick while someone potentially less deserving gets to jump the queue ahead of them or their family - and being pi55ed about that is legitimate and understandable....
i have a very odd position with racism
i have family from germany and family from turkey also family from the west Indies, my step daughter's dad is from Jamaica, my sisters children's dad is Asian, it is very difficult for me to be a racist,
but i have to admit i do not like some of the youth in this country be it black,pink,asian
i cant see that their is a true out and out racist on here just those that are annoyed of the system in place for the last few years
will this system actually change
the problem is, its too easy in the heat of the moment, to break down your anger into a couple of simple, hateful words.
lacroupade
26-01-2011, 14:16
the problem is, its too easy in the heat of the moment, to break down your anger into a couple of simple, hateful words.
too true.
A funny story.....my best mate is from Trinidad....he runs a successful recruitment agency in London and lives in a million pound house in Putney.
I took the kids up to visit him when they were really small and on the way some dingbat carved me up really badly so I wound the window down and shouted at him....
Got to my mates and the kids were excitedly telling him all about the carve-up. My mate was really into it, especially the bit where my daughter came out with "...and that that point Daddy wound the window down and shouted you dozy bl**k ba***rd!...." Talk about wanting the ground to open up and swallow you!
Luckily he knew me better than that but he ripped the pi55 out of me for ages afterwards! LOL
this is it, sometimes the outburst is just a very basic exclamation of anger, with no meaning. I got out of that a LONG time ago (grew up in a council estate seperated from another council estate by a graveyard, one side white, the other, well, you get the idea)
my argument with the race laws is they have now got so powerfull if someone ethnic shall we say makes an allegation they will pursue it,but if you happen to be white there not interested,recently saw a welsh fella laughing with two soma;i guys all good humoured on both sides an irish fella complained about jonseys pirate joke all hell broke loose everybody called up people supended best of all the two somali guys thought the pirate bit hilarious and jonsey is now known as capt pugwash lol,but the time,money,efort investigating a non incident unbelievable!
lacroupade
26-01-2011, 14:37
my argument with the race laws is they have now got so powerfull if someone ethnic shall we say makes an allegation they will pursue it,but if you happen to be white there not interested,recently saw a welsh fella laughing with two soma;i guys all good humoured on both sides an irish fella complained about jonseys pirate joke all hell broke loose everybody called up people supended best of all the two somali guys thought the pirate bit hilarious and jonsey is now known as capt pugwash lol,but the time,money,efort investigating a non incident unbelievable!
what was the pirate joke then? repeatable?
it werent really a joke it was just the calling the somali guys pirates more of a jokey comment they were fine with it yet the stoopid irish fella reported a racist comment and the sky fell in lol! the end result after about 3 weeks of investigating .......bugger all a susgestion that pirate wasnt realy and apropiate comment!
racism between black people is quite funny i think lol
they call each other nigger etc but then when your kids say it to them they get funny about it, my daughters dad was saying it over the phone and she picked up on it then my son picked up on it and asked him what it was shold have seen his face :lol
lacroupade
26-01-2011, 15:00
it werent really a joke it was just the calling the somali guys pirates more of a jokey comment they were fine with it yet the stoopid irish fella reported a racist comment and the sky fell in lol! the end result after about 3 weeks of investigating .......bugger all a susgestion that pirate wasnt realy and apropiate comment!
ah with you now. yeah I agree its all got a bit out of hand with nonsense like that.
i would have understood if the sommali fellas felt upset but for the irish fella to go say sommat seened pathectic lol
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/big-fat-gypsy-weddings/video/series-1/episode-1/dont-call-me-a-pykey
these peoples been on recieving end of racisym but are they now being racist?
you have to admit there right about keeping there kids safe from drug dealers etc but is this gonna stand em in good sted for the future,especialy as new government has told councils they do not have to provide safe places for them! is that not racist in itself? and creating more problems as these people will have to stay somewhere,my mrs had a brillant answer she was going to buy a field get planning for touring caravan park,trouble is you can only stay (legally) 28 days no problem you buy the field next door and do same and they can move from yours to mine! bloody hell i thought where did thaty idea come from lol!
(RIP) PLANK
26-01-2011, 15:45
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/big-fat-gypsy-weddings/video/series-1/episode-1/dont-call-me-a-pykey
these peoples been on recieving end of racisym but are they now being racist?
you have to admit there right about keeping there kids safe from drug dealers etc but is this gonna stand em in good sted for the future,especialy as new government has told councils they do not have to provide safe places for them! is that not racist in itself? and creating more problems as these people will have to stay somewhere,my mrs had a brillant answer she was going to buy a field get planning for touring caravan park,trouble is you can only stay (legally) 28 days no problem you buy the field next door and do same and they can move from yours to mine! bloody hell i thought where did thaty idea come from lol!
this is such a complicated issue Jace it's beyond the scope of a thread like this, or even a forum like this. These programs were both disappointing, as they were mostly edited to show the people featured in a bad light. And hugely encouraging, as they only feature Irish Traveler's an prove that some Traveler's cultures are still beyond the reach of the media ;)
(RIP) PLANK
26-01-2011, 15:55
I've been called worse than a 'tit' before and I'm sure i will be again.
I think these threads are informative, entertaining, and valuable - because!
If you banned racists, it would just give them an excuse for moaning about 'P.C, gone mad' etc. etc.and then they would never get to see an alternative point of view.
I am sorry Larson has gone (if he has gone) maybe he was jest having a bad day and this was a bit too intense for him? As i must admit, some of the contributers are old hands at this, and as friends on and off this site feel more able to say what they think, knowing each others 'tolerance level'
for example, if Jace called me a 'fat tosser' i would just laugh and call him one back - but some people might find it offensive :lol
(RIP) PLANK
26-01-2011, 15:57
hell, what have missed off line couple of days backing up my data online
pre restore!
think names can be divisive?
part of many problems is the term paki, when used for anyone from asian
descent.
historically, i believe pakistan was part of india, then gained independence.
paskistaniis may be generally muslim though not 100%, just as indians might
be sikh or other.
guess bit like a brit being called a frog or a crout, even french or german
you'd likely take offence...
now combine with f'ing what ever, and its all going down hill faster than
gravity!
best approach do as you would be done to.
I think, a lot of Pakistani people have an issue with the term P*ki for a whole other reason, which i will expand on by PM but I'm not going to give out any ammunition for people to abuse them further. :thumbs
if Jace called me a 'fat tosser' i would just laugh and call him one back - but some people might find it offensive
i resemble that remark lol!
http://www.travellerstimes.org.uk/blog.aspx?n=c6e13428-2329-462b-a0f8-f6ccab22ced7&h=False&c=f1b1c82c-0f3c-4edf-98cd-502ea80ed8fa your not alone plank!
(RIP) PLANK
26-01-2011, 18:19
if Jace called me a 'fat tosser' i would just laugh and call him one back - but some people might find it offensive
i resemble that remark lol!
http://www.travellerstimes.org.uk/blog.aspx?n=c6e13428-2329-462b-a0f8-f6ccab22ced7&h=False&c=f1b1c82c-0f3c-4edf-98cd-502ea80ed8fa your not alone plank!
excellent story Jace, I subscribe to the TT and get it in hard copy. My feelings are mirrored by that article :thumb2
extreme-4x4
26-01-2011, 20:56
too true.
A funny story.....my best mate is from Trinidad....
oh well bloody thanks pal...... now im offended
pmsl
extreme-4x4
26-01-2011, 20:57
I think, a lot of Pakistani people have an issue with the term P*ki for a whole other reason, which i will expand on by PM but I'm not going to give out any ammunition for people to abuse them further. :thumbs
me too please
lacroupade
26-01-2011, 23:40
oh well bloody thanks pal...... now im offended
pmsl
whats up second best mate PMSL!
extreme-4x4
26-01-2011, 23:48
whats up second best mate PMSL!
you know what BEST friend .... nothing wrong with it at all
lacroupade
26-01-2011, 23:52
you know what BEST friend .... nothing wrong with it at all
thats just sad, where did all the others go?!
Thomas-the-Terrano2
31-01-2011, 22:45
excellent story Jace, I subscribe to the TT and get it in hard copy. My feelings are mirrored by that article :thumb2
have to agree, was frankly extreme titilation, and probably put understanding back
years.
lacroupade
31-01-2011, 23:34
have to agree, was frankly extreme titilation, and probably put understanding back
years.
But put it in context; it was probably a good portrayal of the irish traveller community, even if it was onloy the tip of the iceberg so to speak :augie....but in all honesty, who on earth is likely to encounter a genuine Roma on the road in this day and age?
My point being, I'm not sure what the scale of any setback is TBH?
(RIP) PLANK
01-02-2011, 00:18
But put it in context; it was probably a good portrayal of the irish traveller community, even if it was onloy the tip of the iceberg so to speak :augie....but in all honesty, who on earth is likely to encounter a genuine Roma on the road in this day and age?
My point being, I'm not sure what the scale of any setback is TBH?
that my friend, is a whole different discussion ;)
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