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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348564/British-mothers-toddlers-banned-council-funded-playgroup-immigrants.html
(RIP) PLANK
19-01-2011, 22:30
It does seem strange, it would be interesting to see the nationality of the other mothers using the group to see if they are breaking the 2010 act. :(
What a shoddy way to deal with people.
well, thats not surprising.
It does seem strange, it would be interesting to see the nationality of the other mothers using the group to see if they are breaking the 2010 act. :(
What a shoddy way to deal with people.
does it not answer it self, anyone but British mothers (children), i would like to know what would happen if their children were mixed race. poxy country has gone to pot, if that not discrimination i dont know what is.
(RIP) PLANK
19-01-2011, 23:15
It suprised me, it sounds like one of those tales people make up, like the 'black' coffee thing. Just to rouse peoples anger. But this one seems real.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/English.Defence.League.EDL?v=info
kindve nice side to nf lol
(RIP) PLANK
19-01-2011, 23:56
does it not answer it self, anyone but British mothers (children), i would like to know what would happen if their children were mixed race. poxy country has gone to pot, if that not discrimination i dont know what is.
no it doesn't, and there seems to be a mixed notion of race and nationality here - read on.
it is possible to be black and british. So if there were black british mothers inside, and these motheres were turned away for being british - the implication is they were turned away because of the colour of their skin - therefore (as implied racism is an offence) the 2010 act would have been broken.
It's technical stuff, but visa-versa you could be 'foreign' and white, so if this nursery was for foreign mothers and kids, and austrailan, or german or french motehr could even if she was white.
you see the whole thing appears to be around imigreation status and nationality, not about race.
I'm not defending this, i think its a disgrace and self defeating as the best way to stamp out biggotry is to get all the children growing up together.
but what would they say if we did the same, only british mothers and children allowed?
(RIP) PLANK
20-01-2011, 00:00
but what would they say if we did the same, only british mothers and children allowed?
As i said in above post, that would not break the law, as you can be of any race or ethnic origin and still British. In fact all out schools and nursery's and hospitals, and libraries and ... etc. etc. are just that with few exceptions - British only.
As i said in above post, that would not break the law, as you can be of any race or ethnic origin and still British. In fact all out schools and nursery's and hospitals, and libraries and ... etc. etc. are just that with few exceptions - British only.
so they being countryist then, i bet they would still kick up a stink about it though
(RIP) PLANK
20-01-2011, 00:10
so they being countryist then, i bet they would still kick up a stink about it though
it gives the wrong ipression as the word is usualy defined as a political stance but - Nationalist - would be the only single word to describe it. But as i said if there were other women of British nationality, who were of sian or African origin (or any other British persons of colour) who were admited; the implication would be that these two were refused admission because of their colour and therefore the law has been broken.
but remember, i'm not a proper lawyer, but if you want me to defend you in court i am cheap :thumbs :lol
it gives the wrong ipression as the word is usualy defined as a political stance but - Nationalist - would be the only single word to describe it. But as i said if there were other women of British nationality, who were of sian or African origin (or any other British persons of colour) who were admited; the implication would be that these two were refused admission because of their colour and therefore the law has been broken.
but remember, i'm not a proper lawyer, but if you want me to defend you in court i am cheap :thumbs :lol
but make sure you read his disclaimer first, :lol:augie
take no notice of him. :naughty:doh
planks right the laws been broken if these two were turned away because of being white it is racist and if theyd been black and turned away theyd be uproar and hand wringing mps would be queing up to say what a disgrace it all is.
watch sky 3 now its a joke here illegaly dumped your passport oh ok well let you go so long as you sign on at our office! joke!
This matter was very badly handled by the club.
There are a number of points here
Is it true? A valid question in view of the Mail's track record for exagerating stories which suit its own political bias - a comment on the Mail forum is quoted below - but is that genuine - who knows...I wonder if a single word of this article is true, srangely I took my daughter to the same playgroup and had no issue.I'm white and unfortunately also british, my wife is French but they weren't to know that. there were other "british" families there, these women seem to be the only ones who were excluded.
It's also relevant that the charity that runs this was given the funding on the basis that it was for the integration of immigrant families. In other words so that they understand the UK culture, systems and values. This is very worthwhile.
Because of the strings attached to the funding the organisers would have to toe the line on who came. Clearly they've been way to restrictive (possibly) and this has resulted in a story which can be bigged up in the Mail and repeated on endless web sites (try and google it).
Adding to the harmony on the streets (NOT).
lacroupade
20-01-2011, 12:11
I've got to say, on the face of it, if true its an outrageous instance of reverse racism so I'm tempted by Sedgers thread, especially it being the dear old DM LOL....on the odd occasions I buy it, I always do so in expectation of a rollicking good "outraged of Surbiton" read :lol:lol
What this does bring home yet again though is how we vote governments in on the basis of a few headline manifesto items, without a bloody clue about how they intend to tackle the detail....maybe if we knew we might vote differently....doesn't matter if it excessive pandering to immigrants over UK citizens (which is guaranteed to create dissatisfaction straight off the bat), or more stupid rules and regulations to dump on the shoulders of Joe Citizen....:doh
(RIP) PLANK
20-01-2011, 13:48
Sedger, I htink another point worth mentioning is the interpretaion of he rules by the staff, and the interpretation of why these women were excluded, the may themselves have got the wrong end of the stick.
I was merely explaining the difference between nationality and race.
Interesting that the phrase 'reverse rascism' has cropped up, and it is basically nonsense, rascism is racism, regardless of the race of those who are the antagonists or protagonists there is no 'reverse' about it. If a white man is refused a job becasue he is whit by a black employer that is racism. No reverse at all - just the same.
This story does seem a complete mess, with no qualification of the various terms used or real evidence. Yes i agree, on further reading it does seem just another atempt to rev up the right wing activists to action. And all that they do is make a bad situation worse!
It reminds me of a recent case the EDL banged on about, a church being turned into a Mosque. Outrage! they cried, 'let's hold a demo'- truth is if you want to stop churches closing (and the islamification of Britain) just go to your local church: regularly! and put your loose change in the plate. That's the only thing they need and the only thing that will work.
I don't feel threatened if a group of people want to associate with people of their own culture, do their own thing, speak their own language, without having to constantly concern themselves with wether or not they are doing the right thing. As white British people you get to do that all the time and take it for granted, so for me if a group of Hindu women (or any others for that matter) want to start a group for Hindu mothers and babys what would be the harm? Answer - none at all!
.... we are basically cannon fodder in the political battle. We are constantly blatently and sometimes subtly manipulated. For example - all the political parties must have known before the election that they could do F*ck all about the bankers bonus situation. Yet they promised and promised. Clegg/Cable adamant they would be hard on the bankers and Cameron/Osborne saying "no-one should get more than 2k bonus in a bank in which the great british public has a share.
Now, of course, they are whining that they can't do anything - banks are intrinsic to wealth growth in the UK etc etc. Nothings changed - the facts are the same now as they where pre-election. They lied. And Labour are just as bad......
Whoaa - feel better after that rant....
(RIP) PLANK
20-01-2011, 14:26
.... we are basically cannon fodder in the political battle. We are constantly blatently and sometimes subtly manipulated. For example - all the political parties must have known before the election that they could do F*ck all about the bankers bonus situation. Yet they promised and promised. Clegg/Cable adamant they would be hard on the bankers and Cameron/Osborne saying "no-one should get more than 2k bonus in a bank in which the great british public has a share.
Now, of course, they are whining that they can't do anything - banks are intrinsic to wealth growth in the UK etc etc. Nothings changed - the facts are the same now as they where pre-election. They lied. And Labour are just as bad......
Whoaa - feel better after that rant....
you are right though, the government, and euro government are responsible for most of these issue. Thats why they dont step in and stop people trying to blame each other, immigrants, students, etc. it lets them off the hook and while we are squabbling amongst orselves they are busy putting the price of diesel up :thumb2
lacroupade
20-01-2011, 14:31
.... we are basically cannon fodder in the political battle. We are constantly blatently and sometimes subtly manipulated. For example - all the political parties must have known before the election that they could do F*ck all about the bankers bonus situation. Yet they promised and promised. Clegg/Cable adamant they would be hard on the bankers and Cameron/Osborne saying "no-one should get more than 2k bonus in a bank in which the great british public has a share.
Now, of course, they are whining that they can't do anything - banks are intrinsic to wealth growth in the UK etc etc. Nothings changed - the facts are the same now as they where pre-election. They lied. And Labour are just as bad......
Whoaa - feel better after that rant....
PLANK I used the term 'reverse racism' deliberately (although unconsciously!) because its unusual to see racism laws applied much in that context...personally I think if its good for one section of society then it should be good for all!
@Sedger....totally agree. I had a right pop a while ago at some w*nkers on Facebook who started a group suggesting that the way to fix the National Debt was just to 'give' it to the middle classes (yes in case you hadn't guessed the perps were a bunch of benefit wasters).
They claimed that 1 in 10 people in the UK (i.e. six million people:eek:) had at least £4million of assets (the fact that there are only around 247,000 millionaires in the UK apparently went over their tiny heads) and that because of some hitherto unknown economic quirk they wouldn't actually have to repay it...just 'own' it...:confused::confused::confused:
But I said to them at the time, if you want to target anyone, target the bankers. Then just a couple of months later where are we? Major mortgage famine, yet the leeches working at Goldman Sachs are about to divvy out a bonus pot of £8Bn or so.....and the UK high street banks not all that far behind.....screw the lot of 'em I say!:doh
Question. How the hell can you integrate if you are only allowed to socialise with foreigeners ? :nenau
if therein our country they should conform to our ways they do not want to live like us just take over that is the muslims religous duty the nazis went about it wrong lol
if therein our country they should conform to our ways they do not want to live like us just take over that is the muslims religous duty the nazis went about it wrong lol
spot on jace, australia wont have them unless they comform australian way of life, as they say in OZ "if you dont like it get out" it's a pity our government dont do the same. :thumb2
ive seen those ausie port authority guys on the telly no messin about this countrys gone far to pc but slyly all our rights have been taken away by blair and co teror laws to spy on people to make sure there kids go to right school etc
(RIP) PLANK
20-01-2011, 19:00
how did we get to slaggin off muslims?
don't get me wrong there is good and bad in every culture, just today i have had to get invlved with a group of young islamic thugs using their faith and ethnicity as a shield and an excuse to bully people.
but i also met (for the second time) a nice young islamic doctor, and had an email from a friend who is also a muslim and a brilitant teacher who, personaly tutors kids who are struggling, in his spare time - FOR FREE!
When Brits move abroad they don't have to integrate, there are whole communities of 'ex-pats' and look at how we changed nations like Australia, did we integrate with the Aborigonal people? no we mass murdered them. Ditto for the USA.
And what about all the Brits living abroad today? I have a family member who has made a lot of money manufacturing in china and Roumania, why? because it was cheaper than paying British wages - and he sent all the goods to shops pver here. So he has essentialy taken millions from the inland revenue by his descision to move production elsewhere. It's all swings and roundabouts! Some peple come here from abroad and take, and others come and give!
We have heard some valid points here, regarding our contriy's present problems - and those that put the blame where it's due, at the feet of greedy bankers etc. and the politicians who let them get away with it, even bail them out at our exspense.
as i said if you want to stop the spread of Islam, support you local church, go to a service once a week and put some cash on the plate. If not, don't moan when they are all closed down and turned into mosques by people who can be bothered to get up and go :thumb2
muslim dr mmm airports spring to mind lol religion of any kind is a bad idea none of it is proveable so should not be taught in schools the reason guest house ruling seems to me to rule faith schools ilegal but i think they got special exception.
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(RIP) PLANK
20-01-2011, 20:10
again, what have Muslims to do with this nursery?
muslims are to blame for everything and as lady warsi said its the in thing lol
(RIP) PLANK
20-01-2011, 20:25
muslims are to blame for everything and as lady warsi said its the in thing lol
lol, it certainly is, and if you'd seen some of the behaviour from young muslims that i have seen this week it's hard to balme people for feeling that way.
But, scapegoating people wont solve the contries problems, as i said it's a religeon that people percieve as 'taing over' the way to prevent this would be for everyone who is concerened to support their local church. But it aint gonna happen, i know i don't want to go to church, don't see why anyone would, so we only have ourselves to blame!
ban all religion its the cause of most wars/disputes (ni,gaza,israel etc)
(RIP) PLANK
20-01-2011, 20:42
or start a new peacfull one, if i was going to have a faith, it would proabaly be a buddist, you don't see many of them casuing trouble do you? :)
dunno that dalhi llhama fellas always giving the chinese gip!
extreme-4x4
20-01-2011, 21:00
well impressed with this . for once a grown up chat about nationality .
:thumb2
(RIP) PLANK
20-01-2011, 23:20
well impressed with this . for once a grown up chat about nationality .
:thumb2
how very dare you - calling me grown up :naughty
muslims are to blame for everything and as lady warsi said its the in thing lol
She was not saying this at all. She was saying that it's become the accepted thing to be anti-muslim. Almost the norm. She did say, in effect, that there are some bad muslims. And she's right. There's bad christians, sikhs, janes, budhists. Even some well bad 4x4 drivers! We're dealing with the human condition.
Problems start when the media grow an atmosphere of hatred against one particular element of society. That's when all of society's problems are blamed on that group - by "the man in the street".
Sure, there are organised groups of muslim thugs in the inner city areas - who are into all sorts of things as we've seen from the press (young girls groomed etc). But this is not because they are muslim - its because of where they live, the absence of work etc etec.
Turning to the Muslim religion - there are many brands of this - all have a different take on the guidance given by their prophet. But having had a look into this it seems that the violent/take over the world brand is a distortion of the true religion.
Cards on teh table - I'm an atheist - I think that religions have been and are a tool of the elite to give us all something to think about.
Hope this is grown up enuff.:cool:
lacroupade
21-01-2011, 11:28
I think that religions have been and are a tool of the elite to give us all something to think about.
Spot on...they have always been about control and power and are more trouble than good IMHO.
Its like charities. Tip for the out-of-work...start a donkey charity. Have you noticed how, despite the fact there are probably only about 100 working donkeys ona few beaches in the UK, there seem to be 000s in 'sanctuaries' all over the place? Where the feck do they all come from??????
Well it works like this...you rent a field, get a couple of donkeys, register as a charity, start collecting money, take yourself out a nice salary and expenses and spend whats left on straw and carrots.....and if you think I'm joking I'm not!
I once looked at the accounts of Guide Dogs for the Blind and they had enough cash in hand to pay for a new dog for every blind person in the UK about seven times over without ever collecting another penny. And when I worked in the finance business years ago I used to arrange facilities for one of the biggest charities in the UK...what I saw there in terms of where/how the money got spent stopped me from ever again putting a sodding shilling in a collection pot.
guide dogs have two massive complexs near me and were critisized for spending oodles on art and carpet for offices,charitys make you laugh i did some work for a christian center nr stratford they head hunted the head of ibm to project manage there new building project maybe he was cost effective i dont know!
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Sure, there are organised groups of muslim thugs in the inner city areas - who are into all sorts of things as we've seen from the press (young girls groomed etc). But this is not because they are muslim - its because of where they live, the absence of work etc etec.
the problem with muslims is they do not respect women, they seem to thing they can do what they like to them, well they probably can in their own country, but not here, they have to respect our culture or pi** off home, and these thugs know that we wont cut their hands off for thieving etc.:naughty
(RIP) PLANK
21-01-2011, 16:49
[QUOTE=Sedger;127815]
the problem with [some] muslims [and some christians, hindus Sikhs, buddists, etc.] is they do not respect women,etc.:naughty
And many Muslims can not "piss of home" as home is here! I know a lot of mulims who have family trees strethcing back in Britain for many generations, and who are whiter than me! It is a faith not a race, so therefore, if you became a Muslim tomorrw, and you could if you chose, where would you piss off home too? If you do decide to convert, i'll still be you mate, i'm not biased against anyone! :thumb2
I do not condone disrespect for women, but apparently niether does the Koran and many of the misiterpretation of it added to bits of old bedoiun customs and faiths that predated Islam are the problem.
As an example, no where in the bible does it mention people going to 'heaven', or God as a 'trinity', and no where does it reference homosexuality in women. But these things are still practised or condemed by many Christian groups! Other Christian things that do not come from the bible are Christmas, Easter, etc. etc. But everyone still does them!
There is good and bad in every community, and it's not fair to blame everyone in a group for the actions of a few!
I do enjoy a good debate, maybe we can discuss 4x4's next? :nenau :lol
lacroupade
21-01-2011, 16:55
I do enjoy a good debate, maybe we can discuss 4x4's next? :nenau :lol
do you like to do it alone, or do you prefer a mass debate Mr Plank? :eek:
(RIP) PLANK
21-01-2011, 16:58
do you like to do it alone, or do you prefer a mass debate Mr Plank? :eek:
i'm not fussed, the more the merrier :thumbs
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And many Muslims can not "piss of home" as home is here! I know a lot of mulims who have family trees strethcing back in Britain for many generations, and who are whiter than me! It is a faith not a race, so therefore, if you became a Muslim tomorrw, and you could if you chose, where would you piss off home too? If you do decide to convert, i'll still be you mate, i'm not biased against anyone! :thumb2
I do not condone disrespect for women, but apparently niether does the Koran and many of the misiterpretation of it added to bits of old bedoiun customs and faiths that predated Islam are the problem.
As an example, no where in the bible does it mention people going to 'heaven', or God as a 'trinity', and no where does it reference homosexuality in women. But these things are still practised or condemed by many Christian groups! Other Christian things that do not come from the bible are Christmas, Easter, etc. etc. But everyone still does them!
There is good and bad in every community, and it's not fair to blame everyone in a group for the actions of a few!
I do enjoy a good debate, maybe we can discuss 4x4's next? :nenau :lol
i know what your saying, but this a a Christian country and if they decide to make their home here, then they should respect that, but they don't and that's why i don't have time for them, they give the impression they want to take over, which is what Enoch Powell said in the 60-70 or there abouts. :augie
the muslim faith tells you to go out and recruit more to the faith to be a good muslim,so yes they will take over and by time politicians realise itll be to late.
all religions are bad or are interpreted to be bad by some of its followers and mopst things that are bad or cause trouble are branded a menace and banned so ban all religions job done close borders have an audit boot out all ilegals take back control of this country simpleze!
(RIP) PLANK
21-01-2011, 19:13
the muslim faith tells you to go out and recruit more to the faith to be a good muslim,so yes they will take over and by time politicians realise itll be to late.
all religions are bad or are interpreted to be bad by some of its followers and mopst things that are bad or cause trouble are branded a menace and banned so ban all religions job done close borders have an audit boot out all ilegals take back control of this country simpleze!
so does Christianity! think of all the branches of Christianity that actively do this all over the world. The catholic missions that set up schools in impoverished nations, the Jehova's witnesses who call at your door, the salvation army that recruit the homeless and save the alcoholics and drug addicts.
Now, be honest - have you had a christian organisation call at your door to bring their Christian message? probably yes.
has anyone ever tried to convert you to islam? probably no
I have been in a lot of mosques, and a lot of churches and the experience is (to me as a godless heathen anyway) pretty much the same.:nenau
There are plans to bulid a 'super mosque' close to me and i don't want it, i am concerned about the influence radical islam is having on British culture. But i don't think branding all muslims as bad is going to help.
And, i do agree on clamping down on ilegal immigrants, i am also not in agreement with many of our past governments immigration policies :thumb2
the problem with closing the borders is - you miss out on all the imigrants who come and ofer usufull services: the greek shipping bilionaires that pay more tax in a week than we will earn in a lifetime, the surgeons and doctors, the nurses who made up the numbers when we were in need. The billions invested by arabic oil producing nations etc.
Could someone amend or remove the post from Planl where I have been misquotes. Please. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by Sedger http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?p=127815#post127815)
the problem with [some] muslims [and some christians, hindus Sikhs, buddists, etc.] is they do not respect women,etc.:naughty
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well i spoke to a muslim friend this morning , who told me that islam is actually a very peacefull religion , unfortunately as in other religions ( including christianity ) people take extreme views, dont forget he said also about the crusades ...... as for debates ... ive always been called a great mass debater ..... or i think thats what they said :rolleyes:
in my humble opinion ..... in order to discriminate you need to set boundaries ... either religion .... colour....nationallity or any other ....and that is how wars start.
as a christian is discriminating against a catholic considered as acceptable as discriminating against a muslim ? ..... hm dont think so
colour ?.....that is a very dangerous game to play
nationallity ? .... what about scots/welsh/irish etc?
starts to get complicated doesnt it ?
(RIP) PLANK
22-01-2011, 13:08
Could someone amend or remove the post from Planl where I have been misquotes. Please. Thank you.
I did not say --
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Originally Posted by Sedger http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?p=127815#post127815)
the problem with [some] muslims [and some christians, hindus Sikhs, buddists, etc.] is they do not respect women,etc.:naughty
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NO you didn't mate, Tezzer said it, if you read back to Tezzer's post you will see there is an anomoly in the way the 'quote' has been copied, and i have then copied it again :o sorry
So the original quote was Tezzer, the red additions inside square brakets were my own
I apoligise for my part in the mistake.
No worries. Wasn't looking for an apology (although nice to have one - thank you - you are a gent and a scholar) just looking for the record to be put straight. Perhaps the moderator could sort it. Never quite sure who that is.
(RIP) PLANK
22-01-2011, 13:30
No worries. Wasn't looking for an apology (although nice to have one - thank you - you are a gent and a scholar) just looking for the record to be put straight. Perhaps the moderator could sort it. Never quite sure who that is.
hopefuly i've quoted you correctly this time! The mistake starts with a quote in Tezzers post, then i quoted Tezzer. So mods that is the way to go about fixing, take the 'quote sedger' out of Tezzer's post, and then change it to Quote Tezzer in mine.
im an equal opertunities anoyer,i dont care what nationality,colour,religion or sexuality if theres something i dont like ill insult them lol.
and any interpretation of a faith that demeens women and says they can be raped or beaten for not wearing a veil is a few hundred yrs outve date and to run round burning things and threatening to kill cartoonists is a bit pathectic same goes for sikhs who closed a cinema/theatre for a rape scene of sikh girl is no better.
religion a dangerous thing look at those irish cathlics intimidating junior school kids a few yrs ago how sad are they ban all religions ban all immagration unless they have proper kills needed weed out the illegals send em home rant rant rant!
(RIP) PLANK
22-01-2011, 16:50
in my humble opinion ..... in order to discriminate you need to set boundaries ... either religion .... colour....nationallity or any other ....and that is how wars start.
as a christian is discriminating against a catholic considered as acceptable as discriminating against a muslim ? ..... hm dont think so
colour ?.....that is a very dangerous game to play
nationallity ? .... what about scots/welsh/irish etc?
starts to get complicated doesnt it ?
well said that man! It is my personla belief that the bst thing to do is to try and be as non-judgemental and non-dicriminatory and tolerant as you can possibly be - even if it means biting your toungue occasionaly :augie
and when some one (or a grop of people) does somthing wrong, judge the action and the circumstance not their whole life and the group you have mentaly allocated them too.
for example, if an English lad brakes a greenhose window on purpose, he did it beacuse he was having a 'naughty moment' not becasue he was English :thumb2
I know it's easier said than done and i get it wrong at least as many times as anyone else, probably more, but i do try :)
so if an afgan was to beat his wife, he was having a naughty moment, is that right? :augie
no thats ok islam and his countrys laws permit it but over here thankfully our laws would protect her,then hopefully send em both home to beat crap outve each other in peace lol whilst dodging trigger happy yanks lol
whether you like it or not , this country ( england ) is a multicultural society, many faiths / many customs .... all grouped together to form our country , that is what is great about it .... we must learn to live to live with our compatriots in harmony .... by creating divisions through race / colour etc , we are effectively creating divisions within our country , yes i said our country :thumb2
(RIP) PLANK
22-01-2011, 18:22
whether you like it or not , this country ( england ) is a multicultural society, many faiths / many customs .... all grouped together to form our country , that is what is great about it .... we must learn to live to live with our compatriots in harmony .... by creating divisions through race / colour etc , we are effectively creating divisions within our country , yes i said our country :thumb2
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dont like never will but thanks to the halfwits in charge im stuck with it,off to plant few bombs on trains,plains and busses because i hate there way of life so much !
if you wish to find out more on the effects of creating a white or aryan super race ... may i suggest you take a visit to southern poland and visit aushwitcz/birkenau ..... very enlightening
not heard of many jewish suicide bombers maybe there peculair to your neck woods mate?
this will be my last comment on the above matter , but that last comment wasnt only sick , but was very offensive considering where i live
whether you like it or not , this country ( england ) is a multicultural society, many faiths / many customs .... all grouped together to form our country , that is what is great about it .... we must learn to live to live with our compatriots in harmony .... by creating divisions through race / colour etc , we are effectively creating divisions within our country , yes i said our country :thumb2
our country, you are having a laugh surely, they will take over mate, you and me, may not be around, but what about our grandsons/ daughters, they will have to put up with them, as far as im concerned they are welcome to stay BUT abide with law and culture.
as for aushwitcz/birkenau, that was the work of a mad man, and i know people who lost relatives there.
(RIP) PLANK
22-01-2011, 18:39
if you wish to find out more on the effects of creating a white or aryan super race ... may i suggest you take a visit to southern poland and visit aushwitcz/birkenau ..... very enlightening
Briggie, is it me or is this getting silly now? Interesting, but the true Aryans came from northern India a place where the swastika has cultural and religious significance - it's where the Nazi's stole it from - and then set out to exterminate any real Aryans to create their own perverted idea of an Aryan race.
Britain has been a multi cultural society for ever. We have a history of racial violence - the romans persecuted people with red hair - in the year 1290, Jews were exiled from England (after a lot of anti Jewish violence - in 1535, being a 'Gypsy' was a hanging offense. It is nothing new, and still unacceptable.
I think the present problem is with the pace of change, and the fact that the country now has more people in it than ever. Tension is running high - and these childish and bad attitudes don't help.
I suggest we pack this thread in now, and move on to something else :nenau
i find it ofensive when some cretin whos living in a country with ifinate possibilitys and is providing him with place safety decides he wants to take it back to the dark ages because he thinks some profit says he should he wants to live in dark ages go to afghanistan im sure some would swap and relish his opertunity.
i thrive on these kindve threads keeps me ocupied keep it going as its a subject dear to my heart lol
(RIP) PLANK
22-01-2011, 18:43
i find it ofensive when some cretin whos living in a country with ifinate possibilitys and is providing him with place safety decides he wants to take it back to the dark ages because he thinks some profit says he should he wants to live in dark ages go to afghanistan im sure some would swap and relish his opertunity
Like i said, you describe the (bad) actions of one (bad) man, and what you say is true, but it's not true for a whole race or faith.
think about this:
All English people are racists!
is it true?
every body has a tinge of racisym in them every body is so hung up on racisym and panders to ethnic mnorities to such an extent they play on it and use it to there advantage.
when the question was asked of young muslims is suicide bombing ok most said yes!
tezzers picture speaks a thousand words
(RIP) PLANK
22-01-2011, 18:58
every body has a tinge of racisym in them every body is so hung up on racisym and panders to ethnic mnorities to such an extent they play on it and use it to there advantage.
when the question was asked of young muslims is suicide bombing ok most said yes!
tezzers picture speaks a thousand words
I'm not hung up on it I'm just challenging it where it is found - this is considered good practice. If you had ever been the victim of racism and racist violence you would see my point.
It is people making racist comments that give people an excuse to 'play on it' - you cant have a row with yourself! Bigoted and ill informed comments just inflame the situation and make things worse. It's time for everyone to sit back and take a mature view on this.:thumb2
oh ive seen this first hand people being bollocked then comming back with your being racist no it was a bollocking no matter what colour creed you are it was comming, the country has swung to far in there favour at the indignous person.come to this country intergrate adapt or come to this country play the system and shrink back into own groups and feel opressed.
the easiest way to think about this is for one of us to go to iran,saudi,dubai and drink or preach that mohammed was a fagot or burn the equivlent of a poppy at a home comming parade how long do you think wed survive,over here he has a legal right to do such things and exersizes it yet the society he advocates would have him stoned to death for his crimes and wouldnt pay for his widow and kids to live rent free in a council house!
spot on mate, but no one has the balls to go there and try it out, because they know the out come, but here we have to put up and shut up for fear of upsetting the aliens. :augie:thumb2
(RIP) PLANK
22-01-2011, 20:03
spot on mate, but no one has the balls to go there and try it out, because they know the out come, but here we have to put up and shut up for fear of upsetting the aliens. :augie:thumb2
I have tried, and no one can say i haven't. :nenau
what sad society we live in :(
Religion is used as an excuse for various types of behavior but that is not a trait reserved for religion.If for instance you have green people who have no value for human life or little respect for themselves or others then that is unaceptable.However if we condemn green people we are racist.Every religion/culture is in some way unique and I firmly believe in tolerance and acceptance.However.... if that tolerance is betrayed by extremists then unfortunately it is up to all the green people to control the extremists or be judged with them.It is very difficult to differentiate between a good shark and a bad shark and I for one do not want to be bitten.I do sympathise with the sharks but will stay away from them if I can.Thats life ! There is no easy answer.:bow
i thrive on these kindve threads keeps me ocupied keep it going as its a subject dear to my heart lol
Yeah - but when you've only got a hammer all of your problems are nails. I think we should close he thread since none of are going to change our minds.
you all have seen these so called people, Muslims etc. on TV, they act like animals they are not civilised enough to live here we treat or animals better than they treat their families, oh except for the male child he can do no wrong, girls are scorned upon by their fathers, we have a very good friend who's daughter married a Turk, she bought him an England football kit, the Turk beat her and burned the football kit, now that is not right in this country, the sooner they are stopped from coming here and the ones that are here are deported the better. they are scum. just think if that was your daughter before you answer.
hammer,nails seems all my problems are solved lol! be carefull that could have religous zealots crashing about crosses etc!
(RIP) PLANK
22-01-2011, 23:39
Yeah - but when you've only got a hammer all of your problems are nails. I think we should close he thread since none of are going to change our minds.
:clap and before any more terrible (and illegal) comments are made :thumb2
solarman216
22-01-2011, 23:54
Well I have read most of this stuff and I am just going to put my little bit in for what it is worth, over the years I have made many friends many of whom are not of this country, and from different religions, what they or I for that matter want to worship or not is of no concern, what is a concern to me is if they want to live here then they abide by our ways, if they do not like our ways, then go back home, I am being very very polite here, but we do not want you, as for the European courts stopping us returning these idiots to their home land, I did not vote for it and I bet most others did not either, so the sooner we pull out of this EU crap the better, but I doubt it will happen, Rick
Well I have read most of this stuff and I am just going to put my little bit in for what it is worth, over the years I have made many friends many of whom are not of this country, and from different religions, what they or I for that matter want to worship or not is of no concern, what is a concern to me is if they want to live here then they abide by our ways, if they do not like our ways, then go back home, I am being very very polite here, but we do not want you, as for the European courts stopping us returning these idiots to their home land, I did not vote for it and I bet most others did not either, so the sooner we pull out of this EU crap the better, but I doubt it will happen, Rick
well said rick, but unfortunately there are some members who dont mind them coming here and, well taking over i suppose, do as Australia's prime minister said, we speak English, you learn it or go home, we are Christians, so live with it or go home, and much more, but this gutless government just let the EU: tread over us, as usual. :doh
:clap and before any more terrible (and illegal) comments are made :thumb2
yes, close it because you know it is true and the majority of British people feel the same, except a few who also happen to be members on here by the sounds of it. BNP rocks.
(RIP) PLANK
23-01-2011, 19:02
yes, close it because you know it is true and the majority of British people feel the same, except a few who also happen to be members on here by the sounds of it. BNP rocks.
no mate, i now it's not true, and the majority of British people don't beleive it. Fortunately racists are a very small minority. I meant close it before it goes to far!
Thomas-the-Terrano2
23-01-2011, 23:47
wow 6 pages of entertainment,
mind you nearly didnt bother when saw ref to daily mail in first post.
just knew it could only go up hill from there....
look if worst thing comes to it, i'm with plank and the caravan party,
have a look at channel 4 tuesday nights 9pm, reckon those gypsy &
travellers have got best idea certainly look after their kids like no one
else...see ya on the road.
(RIP) PLANK
23-01-2011, 23:48
wow 6 pages of entertainment,
mind you nearly didnt bother when saw ref to daily mail in first post.
just knew it could only go up hill from there....
look if worst thing comes to it, i'm with plank and the caravan party,
have a look at channel 4 tuesday nights 9pm, reckon those gypsy &
travellers have got best idea certainly look after their kids like no one
else...see ya on the road.
:thumbs
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