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You all remember Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona , who painted the jail cells pink and made the inmates wear pink prison garb. Well.........
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SHERIFF JOE IS AT IT AGAIN!
Oh, there's MUCH more to know about Sheriff Joe!
Maricopa County was spending approx. $18 million dollars a year on stray animals, like cats and dogs. Sheriff Joe offered to take the department over, and the County Supervisors said okay.
The animal shelters are now all staffed and operated by prisoners. They feed and care for the strays. Every animal in his care is taken out and walked twice daily. He now has prisoners who are experts in animal nutrition and behavior. They give great classes for anyone who'd like to adopt an animal. He has literally taken stray dogs off the street, given them to the care of prisoners, and had them place in dog shows.
The best part? His budget for the entire department is now under $3 million. Teresa and I adopted a Weimaraner from a Maricopa County shelter two years ago. He was neutered and current on all shots, in great health, and even had a microchip inserted the day we got him. Cost us $78.
The prisoners get the benefit of about $0.28 an hour for working, but most would work for free, just to be out of their cells for the day. Most of his budget is for utilities, building maintenance, etc. He pays the prisoners out of the fees collected for adopted animals.
I have long wondered when the rest of the country would take a look at the way he runs the jail system and copy some of his ideas. He has a huge farm, donated to the county years ago, where inmates can work, and they grow most of their own fresh vegetables and food, doing all the work and harvesting by hand.
He has a pretty good sized hog farm, which provides meat and fertilizer. It fertilizes the Christmas tree nursery, where prisoners work, and you can buy a living Christmas tree for $6 - $8 for the holidays and plant it later. We have six trees in our yard from the prison.
Yup, he was re-elected last year with 83% of the vote.
Now he's in trouble with the ACLU again. He painted all his buses and vehicles with a mural that has a special hotline phone number painted on it, where you can call and report suspected illegal aliens. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement wasn't doing enough in his eyes, so he had 40 deputies trained specifically for enforcing immigration laws, started up his hotline, and bought 4 new buses just for hauling folks back to the border. He's kind of a 'Git-R Dun' kind of Sheriff.
TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO..
HE IS THE MARICOPA ARIZONA COUNTY SHERIFF
AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER.
THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY:
Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona ) who created the 'Tent City Jail':
**He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.
**He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jail.
**Took away their weights.
**Cut off all but 'G' movies.
**He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects.
**Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.
**He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails, so he hooked up the cable TV again.....BUT only let in the Disney channel and the Weather channel.
**When asked why the weather channel, he replied, "So they will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working
On my chain gangs."
**He cut off coffee since it has zero nutritional value.
**When the inmates complained, he told them, "This isn't The Ritz/Carlton...... If you don't like it, don't come back."
More On The Arizona Sheriff:
With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record), the Associated Press reports:
About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed-wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued
Pink boxer shorts.
On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week before.
Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collected on their chests and dripped down to their PINK SOCKS.
"It feels like we are in a furnace," said James Zanzot, an inmate who has lived in the TENTS for 1 year. "It's inhumane."
Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates, "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths!"
Way to go, Sheriff!
Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders. Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for their parole, only to go out and commit another crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers' money and enjoy things taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves.
i like some of his ideas, a lot of open jails (eg ford!) send prisoners out to work in community but dont broadcast it as this country couldnt deal with it lol!
have you seen sky3s uk border force pathectic no passport oh well have to let you go but you must come back once week and sign on! yeagh right guys been here 7yrs ilegaly hes gonna come back!
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harlowmaverick
15-01-2011, 15:45
i want one, sod it i will be it!
vote for me :sly
i want one, sod it i will be it!
vote for me :sly
Ok, if your going to be IT, then you need a campaign manager, I except the post.
We need to get some flyers out and get a big bus for you to wave to people from, then we need shotguns! (Just for the ones that dont vote for you) and petrol (We need to burn them after we shoot them).
Next we ban human rights for anyone in prison (If they dont have any they can not moan about loosing them) Take away their right to vote (Need to plan ahead for next year or they will vote you out) and make them go to church. If they in prison, they need to start begging the top man sooner rather than later.
No visits while in prison, however loved ones can come and see them through one way glass, (They only going to moan if you dont let them in).
Work is compulsory, chain gangs in the community, picking litter or gardening for the older folk.
NO PS3 or XBOXs in the prisons, its not a holiday camp! give them books and home work to keep them busy.
Ok, im now enjoying this to much and need to step away from the computer :augie
uk prisoners aint alowed to vote ...yet but europe is making us allow it! there not allowed ps3s due to wireless cnectivity maybe there woried about them starting online petitions for freedom lol!
i agree throughly vetted prisoners should be out there fixing fences cleaning streets etc esp at ol folks homes etc!
Deleted account DD
15-01-2011, 18:29
I reckon one of Sherrif Joes best lines was when talking about putting women on the chain gangs as well as blokes,
he said no problem " I'm an equal rights incarcerator" :thumbs:D:D:D
At least two sides to every story...
http://www.arpaio.com/why-arpaios-gotta-go/2.php
Deleted account DD
15-01-2011, 19:08
I object to my tax money being spent on cushy lives for prisoners.
They should be put to work to benefit others.
In any prison there are deaths suicides and assaults. Some horrendous, some not.
Prisons are for punishment. Do something wrong, dont expect a nice prize.
Considering all of that.......................................
Sheriff Joe gets my vote :thumb2
BigBlack
16-01-2011, 17:07
Sheriff Joe gets my vote :thumb2
+1 :thumb2
I also like the idea that in America they have about 2 million inmates working full time for 25cent and hour! They work full time, no holidays, strikes or days sick.... if they dont like it they get locked up for 23hrs in solitory in an empty cell!!!
The various industrys they work in pay the prisions for the labour helping to fund the prision and save the goverment money!!!
Much as it pains me to say America's got it right!!! :o
As for the UK.... pay out £000's to keep the Yorkshire Ripper locked up, with everything he needs, then pay for him to appeal against his sentance... twice!!! :nenau
(RIP) PLANK
16-01-2011, 17:15
I object to my tax money being spent on cushy lives for prisoners.
They should be put to work to benefit others.
In any prison there are deaths suicides and assaults. Some horrendous, some not.
Prisons are for punishment. Do something wrong, dont expect a nice prize.
Considering all of that.......................................
Sheriff Joe gets my vote :thumb2
In English law they aren't - the punishment is being in prison you are not there to be punished :nenau
Peasgood
16-01-2011, 17:33
At least two sides to every story...
http://www.arpaio.com/why-arpaios-gotta-go/2.php
He doesn't get my vote after reading that.
I do think prisoners get it too cushy, but I don't think encouraging them to beat each other to death or murdering them is the way to go.
(RIP) PLANK
16-01-2011, 17:38
crime and punishment is a complicated issue, and prisons don't work - fact.
I se the point that they may not deserve an easy life - but - does treating people badly, and leaving them to behave badly just make the worse, would setting a good example for the way you expect them to behave be better? i.e. not just saying 'be good' but showing people how to 'be good' as if it was obvious why aren't they doing it allready?
on the other hand, prisons don't work and are very exspensive, so as a purely cost cutting excersise if nothing else i can see why some of Joe's measures would work.
He doesn't get my vote after reading that.
I do think prisoners get it too cushy, but I don't think encouraging them to beat each other to death or murdering them is the way to go.
well it would save the tax payer money to keep some of the scum bags, murderers are murderers, so put them together if they cant get on tough, if you let them out they will probably kill some innocent person anyway.:thumb2
crime and punishment is a complicated issue, and prisons don't work - fact.
I se the point that they may not deserve an easy life - but - does treating people badly, and leaving them to behave badly just make the worse, would setting a good example for the way you expect them to behave be better? i.e. not just saying 'be good' but showing people how to 'be good' as if it was obvious why aren't they doing it allready?
on the other hand, prisons don't work and are very exspensive, so as a purely cost cutting excersise if nothing else i can see why some of Joe's measures would work.
i reckon some of these inmates would do better if put into the services, ie army, navy etc, obviously serious offenders would have to go to prison.
(RIP) PLANK
16-01-2011, 18:05
Just something to think about,
criminals are not a seperate, race, ethnicity or social class.
Crime is not something that happens to and gets done by 'other people'
It is in fact part of our flawed huan condition, and arguably crime is as much a product of the law as law is of crime.
I have a retired police inspector friend who has an unsusualy philosipic view of criminals: "there - but for the grace of god - go I"
If you were, through whatever circumstances - to find yourself on the wrong side of the law, and it happens every day to ordinary men and women who make silly mistakes, or act in the heat of the momen - how would you like to be treated?
or how would you like your son, daughter, brother, sister etc. treated?
Peasgood
16-01-2011, 18:24
well it would save the tax payer money to keep some of the scum bags, murderers are murderers, so put them together if they cant get on tough, if you let them out they will probably kill some innocent person anyway.:thumb2
I take it you decided not to read the link.
Deleted account DD
16-01-2011, 18:25
In English law they aren't - the punishment is being in prison you are not there to be punished :nenau
fair enough , a nuance , interpretation of words , fact of the matter is rehabilitation doesn't work well either .
Sadly the phrase a leopard never changes its spot is too often the correct one. Loss of liberty is what makes most of them give their head a shake. That is the punishment.
Inside they go into a "regime" those who prison is going to sort out will react to the regime which is in fact aimed at giving them some self pride and self discipline.
Definitely within the first part of their sentence they shold be taught accept what is put in front of them, like it or not. Standard toothbrush, a predetermined meal from the take it or leave it menu, standard toiletries, no sweets........it goes on.
If they behave without any governors reports and only in the second half of their sentence they then get to choose if they want to use their leccy toothbrush, they can choose which meal they want, they can choose which brand of soap and toothbrush they want etc etc.
They are in there because they cannot conform to societies rules. They need to be shown just what the benefit of being responsible can bring. That is the right to choose and determine your own existence.
I would not give them their own tvs, I would not give them playstations, I would not allow them coffee making facilities in their cells. If they are sentenced to 5 years they do at least 4 1/2 years. Fair play good behavior deserves some kind of recognition of achieving some kind of personal discipline and conforming to civilised standards.
Another area that needs reform is the education regime. Give them basic maths and english only whilst inside. Then they can watch countdown in their 1 hour a day tv viewing and read books the rest of the time.
If and only if they dont mess up they can be recommended for further education at colleges etc when theyre released. Not given priority whilst inside.
In no way does any of what I have said infringe their human rights if you accept they are lawfully detained. They are fed, sheltered and kept clean. They are given the opportunity for mental stimulation. They are rewarded for their compliance to that system. They are directed toward further self development upon release.
The leopards will return proving theyre a waste of space and the reformed will go onwards and upwards.
People whinge about people like Biggs having been banged up for too long. They are wrong, he was banged up for the correct amount of time. It was his contemporaries who werent in long enough!!!
I dont like having criminals running around free making life hard for the decent honest people of this country. Lock em up to segregate those who deserve to retain their liberty :thumb2
Deleted account DD
16-01-2011, 18:28
prisons don't work - fact.
Having just reread the thread lets clarify this point..................
Prisons dont work............correct.
caveat...............under the soppy systems we have at the moment............fact
(RIP) PLANK
16-01-2011, 18:30
fair enough , a nuance , interpretation of words , fact of the matter is rehabilitation doesn't work well either .
Sadly the phrase a leopard never changes its spot is too often the correct one. Loss of liberty is what makes most of them give their head a shake. That is the punishment.
Inside they go into a "regime" those who prison is going to sort out will react to the regime which is in fact aimed at giving them some self pride and self discipline.
Definitely within the first part of their sentence they shold be taught accept what is put in front of them, like it or not. Standard toothbrush, a predetermined meal from the take it or leave it menu, standard toiletries, no sweets........it goes on.
If they behave without any governors reports and only in the second half of their sentence they then get to choose if they want to use their leccy toothbrush, they can choose which meal they want, they can choose which brand of soap and toothbrush they want etc etc.
They are in there because they cannot conform to societies rules. They need to be shown just what the benefit of being responsible can bring. That is the right to choose and determine your own existence.
I would not give them their own tvs, I would not give them playstations, I would not allow them coffee making facilities in their cells. If they are sentenced to 5 years they do at least 4 1/2 years. Fair play good behavior deserves some kind of recognition of achieving some kind of personal discipline and conforming to civilised standards.
Another area that needs reform is the education regime. Give them basic maths and english only whilst inside. Then they can watch countdown in their 1 hour a day tv viewing and read books the rest of the time.
If and only if they dont mess up they can be recommended for further education at colleges etc when theyre released. Not given priority whilst inside.
In no way does any of what I have said infringe their human rights if you accept they are lawfully detained. They are fed, sheltered and kept clean. They are given the opportunity for mental stimulation. They are rewarded for their compliance to that system. They are directed toward further self development upon release.
The leopards will return proving theyre a waste of space and the reformed will go onwards and upwards.
People whinge about people like Biggs having been banged up for too long. They are wrong, he was banged up for the correct amount of time. It was his contemporaries who werent in long enough!!!
I dont like having criminals running around free making life hard for the decent honest people of this country. Lock em up to segregate those who deserve to retain their liberty :thumb2
I agree, as i said, and you point out, prison does not work - fact. But it is all we have.
But your post does make several assumptions about criminals, i.e. basic maths and English, this assumes they are all educatinaly (or intelectualy) deficient). As i also said, crime and punishment is a complicated matter that has absorbed the time and intelectual capcities of great thinkers for thousands of years, and a few not so great ones like Sherrif Joe :doh
Deleted account DD
16-01-2011, 18:40
I have a retired police inspector friend who has an unsusualy philosipic view of criminals: "there - but for the grace of god - go I"
I know many criminals. I regularly have very civilised conversations in the middle of Tescos with them :D doesnt mean I trust them or believe they should have their liberty.
Your mates comment needs clarification.
Many cops would say there but for the grace because of the way things pan out, thats correct, not because of deliberate actions.
If you were, through whatever circumstances - to find yourself on the wrong side of the law, and it happens every day to ordinary men and women who make silly mistakes, or act in the heat of the momen - how would you like to be treated?
or how would you like your son, daughter, brother, sister etc. treated?
Its all on a sliding scale, thats why theres cautioning schemes and suspended sentences.
If you screw up to the degree youre going down, in this day and age, its unlikely youve simply cocked up. There will have been some awareness or comprehension of what was going on or the error was of such a magnitude , beyond what any reasonable person would have done, you should bite the bullet and take the punishment.
Its actually very difficult to get banged up. Ask those who like the current comfy system and dont want to be outside of it!!!
The old saying, if you cant do the time is completely appropriate.
(RIP) PLANK
16-01-2011, 18:52
I know many criminals. I regularly have very civilised conversations in the middle of Tescos with them :D doesnt mean I trust them or believe they should have their liberty.
Your mates comment needs clarification.
Many cops would say there but for the grace because of the way things pan out, thats correct, not because of deliberate actions.
Its all on a sliding scale, thats why theres cautioning schemes and suspended sentences.
If you screw up to the degree youre going down, in this day and age, its unlikely youve simply cocked up. There will have been some awareness or comprehension of what was going on or the error was of such a magnitude , beyond what any reasonable person would have done, you should bite the bullet and take the punishment.
Its actually very difficult to get banged up. Ask those who like the current comfy system and dont want to be outside of it!!!
The old saying, if you cant do the time is completely appropriate.
I agree with the old saying too!
I only used my mate's (Jim) quote to point out that all sorts of people fall foul of the law, and a brutal regime is not a good blanket policy, as there are many different ways to end up in trouble, and may different people who end up there, our present - more flexible - system is about as good as it gets.
Even with lots more cash to throw at prisons all you would get is room for more prisoners.
I think the only chance prison has of working as a reformative measure is during the first sentence. If you go back a second and a third time, you are
there to be 'warehoused' for the duration, not to be reformed, there is no point trying.
sex offenders castrated or steralised
thiefs have a hand removed on first offence , as per sharia law etc
murderers are incarcerated for life or given poison ( their choice )
bring back the stocks for antisocial criminals
im thinking of other punishments for other crimes at the mo ..... bear with me :naughty
Deleted account DD
16-01-2011, 18:52
My point that prisons dont work is entirely underpinned by the fact that they have evolved into a civil libertarian based hotel system. They are dirty smelly horrible places but apart from deprivation of liberty achieve little in the long term.
But your post does make several assumptions about criminals, i.e. basic maths and English, this assumes they are all educatinaly (or intelectualy) deficient). As i also said, crime and punishment is a complicated matter that has absorbed the time and intelectual capcities of great thinkers for thousands of years, and a few not so great ones like Sherrif Joe :doh
No , no assumptions or presumptions whatsoever made.
The limited services are take it or leave and on the basis of desire or need.
"Intellectuals" should keep out of it. I suspect many of them havent seen the inside of a prison. There is far too much philosophising about the system and the rights of the incarcerated.
If sherrif Joes system isnt working fair enough. Nor is ours BUT his would cost less of my hard earned reluctantly handed over tax money which could then be used to pay for the new roof on the school down the road.
Sherrif Joes system every time for the mainstream criminal.
Deleted account DD
16-01-2011, 18:56
I only used my mate's (Jim) quote to point out that all sorts of people fall foul of the law, and a brutal regime is not a good blanket policy, as there are many different ways to end up in trouble, and may different people who end up there, our present - more flexible - system is about as good as it gets.
Not one thing I have suggested constitutes a brutal regime. In fact life overall would probably be less brutal for many with more discipline.
Lets not get diverted by that anti Sherriff Joe material. Most Brit jails could match that record with ease.
Not one thing I have suggested constitutes a brutal regime. In fact life overall would probably be less brutal for many with more discipline.
Lets not get diverted by that anti Sherriff Joe material. Most Brit jails could match that record with ease.
bring back national service ? :nenau
as posted on here before i have been to prison so know its no deterent and have seen alsorts of people around me murderers and sex ofenders common myth other prisoners will atack them they wont no one wants to lose there priveledges home leaves working out for minimum wage etc
persnolly certain types of offender are suitable for one thing mine clearence work in afghnistan save brave young (to young to die) soldgiers but it wont happen uman rights etc.
i firmly believe by commiting a crime you forfit a lot of your rights but the prison service does have quite a few contracts which earn them money whilst chappy makes light boards for halfrauds or mop buckets for aldis ,they just refuse foi requests.
thing is that takes work of a person on the outside!
(RIP) PLANK
16-01-2011, 19:39
Not one thing I have suggested constitutes a brutal regime. In fact life overall would probably be less brutal for many with more discipline.
Lets not get diverted by that anti Sherriff Joe material. Most Brit jails could match that record with ease.
i wasn't suggesting you were advocating brutality, more that sherif joe's tatics end up there, these threads go to pot so easiy :doh Sorry
Deleted account DD
16-01-2011, 19:42
as posted on here before i have been to prison so know its no deterent and have seen alsorts of people around me murderers and sex ofenders common myth other prisoners will atack them they wont no one wants to lose there priveledges home leaves working out for minimum wage etc
persnolly certain types of offender are suitable for one thing mine clearence work in afghnistan save brave young (to young to die) soldgiers but it wont happen uman rights etc.
i firmly believe by commiting a crime you forfit a lot of your rights but the prison service does have quite a few contracts which earn them money whilst chappy makes light boards for halfrauds or mop buckets for aldis ,they just refuse foi requests.
thing is that takes work of a person on the outside!
well said :thumb2
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001349720742&sk=info#!/profile.php?id=100001349720742&sk=wall
this chap has some interesting people incl sex ofenders some working out in the community so if you live in glos you certainly dont know whos walking past you!
I take it you decided not to read the link.
yes i did, i find some of it a bit ott to be honest, but the majority of offenders are totally out of control, and i dont think you can compare american prisons to ours, the mentaly disturbed are treated different here than out there. :thumbs
Deleted account DD
16-01-2011, 19:49
i wasn't suggesting you were advocating brutality, more that sherif joe's tatics end up there, these threads go to pot so easiy :doh Sorry
dont worry mate, i wasnt sure :thumb2
I believe in human rights but its where on the scale people clock in. I also do not make judgement on people who have got it wrong. I take as I find.
With few exceptions I also believe a spent sentence is a spent sentence and its a fresh start.
Up to them after that :nenau
sex offenders castrated or steralised
thiefs have a hand removed on first offence , as per sharia law etc
murderers are incarcerated for life or given poison ( their choice )
bring back the stocks for antisocial criminals
im thinking of other punishments for other crimes at the mo ..... bear with me :naughty
we certainly dont want "sharia law" here, but i see where your coming from,;)
(RIP) PLANK
16-01-2011, 19:50
dont worry mate, i wasnt sure :thumb2
I believe in human rights but its where on the scale people clock in. I also do not make judgement on people who have got it wrong. I take as I find.
With few exceptions I also believe a spent sentence is a spent sentence and its a fresh start.
Up to them after that :nenau
:thumb2
Deleted account DD
16-01-2011, 20:44
bring back national service ? :nenau
No, youve got the armed forces full of volunteers.
National service would only fill them up with people who didnt want ot be nor would they want them there.
Because of the lack of conscripts amongst other factors we have the best armed forces in the world :thumb2
despite the politicians best eforts i think we are very lucky over here our armed forces are best in world,we get ill we dont have to have medical ins and if some little scroat breaks into your house u know u will be the one arrested for sitting on him till police arrive lol!
(RIP) PLANK
16-01-2011, 22:31
No, youve got the armed forces full of volunteers.
National service would only fill them up with people who didnt want ot be nor would they want them there.
Because of the lack of conscripts amongst other factors we have the best armed forces in the world :thumb2
I agree, serving your country shouldn't feel like punishment, or done with resentment. If you don't want to do it you've no place being there. But maybe 2 years service for willing volunteers, or gap years for students in non combat roles could be encouraged as an alternative to the meaningless college and uni courses that are being forced on people?
Deleted account DD
16-01-2011, 23:14
I agree, serving your country shouldn't feel like punishment, or done with resentment. If you don't want to do it you've no place being there. But maybe 2 years service for willing volunteers, or gap years for students in non combat roles could be encouraged as an alternative to the meaningless college and uni courses that are being forced on people?
I agree with the 2 yr bit. There was a debate a few years back which basically concluded that Nat Service wasnt a good scheme but a 2 year stint which left you , when/if you came out of the services, with the same rights as youd have had 2 years previously re eduction etc would work. A lot of people who would join the forces didnt know if it was for them and didnt want to sign up on the 6 & 12yr schemes and would lose certain age related rights by losing a couple of years.
Not surprisingly as it was quite a sensible proposition nothing came of it :nenau
The alternative is the Israeli model where theyre generally fanatically defensive and patriotic and see the 2 years as a matter of pride and just about everyone does it.
(RIP) PLANK
16-01-2011, 23:32
and i suppose another problem with compulsory service is, a load of nutters who are now trained in self defence, handling fire arms, etc. etc. Who would basically be even more quilified to wreak havoc. Thats if they didnt cause so much trouble in the two years that they either got kicked out, or the military courts system became as overloaded as the civil one.:doh
stick em in a regimental glasshouse for a few weeks :augie
(RIP) PLANK
16-01-2011, 23:35
stick em in a regimental glasshouse for a few weeks :augie
just hang em and goet it over with :augie
Deleted account DD
16-01-2011, 23:49
stick em in a regimental glasshouse for a few weeks :augie
saw a documentary on the colchester glasshouse a few years back, it looked pretty easy in military terms.
My mate and I talking the next day genuinely reckoned we had it harder in basic training :D
A lad i knew got sent down for sleeping in :D (long story) but when he got back from pokey he said he'd enjoyed it. :doh
just hang em and goet it over with :augie
best idea yet, that would save Cameron some dosh, not having to keep them. :thumb2
rapists, peado's and the like should be castrated without any anesthetic before being hung
rapists, peado's and the like should be castrated without any anesthetic before being hung
:eek::clap
This v interesting discussion illustrates ther fact that no-one has a monopoly of the truth or the best way of doing things. That's the problem with all kinds of fundamentalism (religious etc) and extremism (BNP, EDF) - they are unwilling to admit that the other guy may have some valid points........
(RIP) PLANK
17-01-2011, 12:11
This v interesting discussion illustrates ther fact that no-one has a monopoly of the truth or the best way of doing things. That's the problem with all kinds of fundamentalism (religious etc) and extremism (BNP, EDF) - they are unwilling to admit that the other guy may have some valid points........
I think you are right there mate, i find it amusing how those who express a strong opinion in one thing seem to automaticaly do the same in another. For example. Send all the foreigners back = cut their balls off.
If only life were that simple :(
Shoot them all.........And let God sort them out! :augie
I know that maybe harsh, if you have only been convicted of a minor crime, but it would make you think, are my actions worth the Consequences.
At the moment its a lottry for crimanals, they know if they get caught they going to prison, but the crime IS worth the time (If they are caught) cos we are so lenient with them.
Its time to get tough with them and stop pandering to bloody Brussels and the EU all the time. Bring back hanging and public floggings all this secreat crap is stupid.
Look at the 2 that killed little Jamie Bulger, they got new identitys so people dont know who they are, then one of them went to commit more crime cos people did not know who he was. :doh
aahh, a pop at the racists on here, :augie
(RIP) PLANK
17-01-2011, 13:49
aahh, a pop at the racists on here, :augie
not a pop, just pointing out, people who hold simplistic and extreme points of view seem to do so on all sorts of issues. And it's not just here, they exist in all cultures, it's the same frame of mind that makes extremists in every society. Nothing new :thumb2
not a pop, just pointing out, people who hold simplistic and extreme points of view seem to do so on all sorts of issues. And it's not just here, they exist in all cultures, it's the same frame of mind that makes extremists in every society. Nothing new :thumb2
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Shoot them all.........And let God sort them out! :augie
I know that maybe harsh, if you have only been convicted of a minor crime, but it would make you think, are my actions worth the Consequences.
At the moment its a lottry for crimanals, they know if they get caught they going to prison, but the crime IS worth the time (If they are caught) cos we are so lenient with them.
Its time to get tough with them and stop pandering to bloody Brussels and the EU all the time. Bring back hanging and public floggings all this secreat crap is stupid.
Look at the 2 that killed little Jamie Bulger, they got new identitys so people dont know who they are, then one of them went to commit more crime cos people did not know who he was. :doh
..... life would be very easy if we could know ABSOLUTELY about the guilt of an offender. Just consider this short list of miscarriages.....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/themes/crime_and_punishment/miscarriages_of_justice/default.stm
that is the thing with death sentence if something crops up after the noose tightens its to late to say sorry,the two kids that killed little jamie bulger i just dont know what you do with them i mean what posses a 10-11yr kids to take a little one and do that to him something wrong in there heads whos to blame parents i dunno its an enigma and throws any argument on its head
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