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geoffdown
19-12-2010, 17:30
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(RIP) PLANK
19-12-2010, 17:33
i prefer the t2 mate :thumb2
I dont know enough about Pajeros apart from what I hear, and i hear good things, but would you really want to risk battering a Pajero as good as that? nah, go for the Terrano if money allows it.
bit of a daft question to ask a nissan forum as it will be a little bias lol
depends what you want to do
is it to replace dirty frog ? or just as a drive around
its a bit steep for a 94 altho time of year will affect the price
(RIP) PLANK
19-12-2010, 20:08
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1994-NISSAN-TERRANO-II-LX-TD-WHITE-/250742757164?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3a616ed72c
? what do you think?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1994-NISSAN-TERRANO-II-LX-TD-WHITE-/250742757164?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3a616ed72c
? what do you think?
its a nissan itll go wrong :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol
(RIP) PLANK
19-12-2010, 20:11
if you'd seen the issues i've seen with 3.1 troopers you wouldn't mock, though i loved the old 2.8! :thumbs
JimmyJaffa
19-12-2010, 20:17
I think i know whats going to win here.:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol
if you'd seen the issues i've seen with 3.1 troopers you wouldn't mock, though i loved the old 2.8! :thumbs
dont know why i only hear good things about the 3.1
but the 3.0 is a different story lol
not alot to go wrong with the 3.1 being a pushy
(RIP) PLANK
19-12-2010, 20:24
dont know why i only hear good things about the 3.1
but the 3.0 is a different story lol
not alot to go wrong with the 3.1 being a pushy
The 3.0 was so atrotious i gave up on Isuzu at that and never bought one, the 2.8 was excellent! The 3.1 i found underpowered and disapointing. The lotus suspension pulled it back a bit, but - big, slow and handled like a boat + i've seen and had some 'issues' with them. I much prefer my T2s for the things i do, but each to there own:thumb2.
We had one 2.8 (j Plate) that did the best part of 50 mpg! amazing!
The 3.0 was so atrotious i gave up on Isuzu at that and never bought one, the 2.8 was excellent! The 3.1 i found underpowered and disapointing. The lotus suspension pulled it back a bit, but - big, slow and handled like a boat + i've seen and had some 'issues' with them. I much prefer my T2s for the things i do, but each to there own:thumb2.
We had one 2.8 (j Plate) that did the best part of 50 mpg! amazing!
the 2.8 was a great lump :thumbs
the 3.0 was a time bomb from injector problems to electrical was a night mare
surprised you found the 3.1 sluggish its quicker than the t2 and has more power and torq, boat handling well it it rather large lol
i have to admit the handling pack from lotus does make it stick to the road havnt lost the back end yet :thumbs
altho it makes it a bit harder to play off road, the t2 was a good motor but a little basic interior wise, i find the horn a much nicer place to sit :thumb2
(RIP) PLANK
19-12-2010, 20:32
the 2.8 was a great lump :thumbs
the 3.0 was a time bomb from injector problems to electrical was a night mare
surprised you found the 3.1 sluggish its quicker than the t2 and has more power and torq, boat handling well it it rather large lol
i have to admit the handling pack from lotus does make it stick to the road havnt lost the back end yet :thumbs
altho it makes it a bit harder to play off road, the t2 was a good motor but a little basic interior wise, i find the horn a much nice place to sit :thumb2
I'm not a gambling man but having owned and driven several 3.1's i'd put money on it not being quicker off the mark than my T2 :naughty
will it cost inxs of £750 to fix the dirty frog - me thinks not
you may be buying a pile of trouble.
better a devil u know and all that
paulp
will it cost inxs of £750 to fix the dirty frog - me thinks not
you may be buying a pile of trouble.
better a devil u know and all that
paulp
sounds like good advice if you can use the spanners..
I'm not a gambling man but having owned and driven several 3.1's i'd put money on it not being quicker off the mark than my T2 :naughty
http://www.cars-directory.net/specs/isuzu/bighorn/1995_6/13544/
even the trooper is quicker to 60 than the tdi only by a few points of a second
but the bighorn has more power and a higher top end :naughty
actually looking at the trooper citation specs that does seem a bit slower than the horn as that has less power and torq odd
i got it the bighorn has a electronically controlled pump and not a manual unit like the trooper
Dirty Frog will be back on the road tomorrow :sly :naughty :D
Its only a turbo :augie
As tezzer knows :thumbs I'm not sure what i want as my second 4x4 :o :doh
i think you should get a y60 intead but its not my coin... one day the frog will die and the second car might become the frogs replacement
If it does die it will mealy be reincarnated as its been put through hell & its a part of me now :o :lol :augie
The only time it will be replaced is if the shell gets bent or rots away :nenau
I just haven't got the hart to off road the Pajero even though it would probably be more capable than a terrano...
Plus these engines are so strong & i could keep 1 on the road with the others parts if things went wrong...
what about a normal car for a daily drive would be more sence than having a 4x4 just to putter to the shops in lol
what about a little jimny ? or even a cherry ? or how about a humber lol
tbh is it worth getting shot of the mk1 and going for the t2 as it is pritty much the same all over you would be getting no gain from swapping it, also i think the paj is a little bit better on the confort side of things
Deleted account DD
19-12-2010, 22:56
http://www.cars-directory.net/specs/isuzu/bighorn/1995_6/13544/
even the trooper is quicker to 60 than the tdi only by a few points of a second
but the bighorn has more power and a higher top end :naughty
actually looking at the trooper citation specs that does seem a bit slower than the horn as that has less power and torq odd
i got it the bighorn has a electronically controlled pump and not a manual unit like the trooper
I had a drive of several troopers before buying the T2 and before buying the Jeep (also drove the old monteray was the vauxhall version?) all diesel and a lotus tricked version of my mates. I have to say that as an all round usable truck the T2 is vastly superior imho irrespective of points of a second on paper.
None of the troopers can hold a candle to, except maybe to the dust of, a 2.7 grand cherokee for on the road manners and turn of speed.
Have to be quite blunt, if isuzu need to employ a sports car company to bring handling up to the point achieved by most bog standard trucks (unless its just a gimmick?), theres not much point in the academic difference in grunt anyway.
;)
One truck i really did like when i had a shot was an amazon :thumb2:naughty
Dirty Frog will be back on the road tomorrow :sly :naughty :D
Its only a turbo :augie
As tezzer knows :thumbs I'm not sure what i want as my second 4x4 :o :doh
ahh i do know what you want, but it's getting one for the right price. :thumbs:cool:
ahh i do know what you want, but it's getting one for the right price. :thumbs:cool:
Its the cash as ya know :(
Defender 90 200tdi has to be top on all off roaders list :rolleyes:
My problem is Dirty Frog was always going to end up a full time off roader :sly
So the 2nd 4x4 will be the every day ride & green laner...
That terrano, if its just the hubs, although over priced, looks mint as mine did when i 1st got it :o & all I would do to it is 30" Insa Turbo Sahara's, Snorkel & a winch.
If anything went wrong then Dirty Frog would be the doner...
(RIP) PLANK
19-12-2010, 23:29
http://www.cars-directory.net/specs/isuzu/bighorn/1995_6/13544/
even the trooper is quicker to 60 than the tdi only by a few points of a second
but the bighorn has more power and a higher top end :naughty
actually looking at the trooper citation specs that does seem a bit slower than the horn as that has less power and torq odd
i got it the bighorn has a electronically controlled pump and not a manual unit like the trooper
so have you got a link for the engine specs of the "Horn" and then we can work out a power to weight ratio. Just for fun of course!
the best i can find is this - http://carinfo.autold.com/car-isuzu_bighorn-31-td-long-ls.html
and yor right the "horn" has 12 more horse powers than the standard 3.1, but still less than my TDI and a lot heavier!
I had a drive of several troopers before buying the T2 and before buying the Jeep (also drove the old monteray was the vauxhall version?) all diesel and a lotus tricked version of my mates. I have to say that as an all round usable truck the T2 is vastly superior imho irrespective of points of a second on paper.
None of the troopers can hold a candle to, except maybe to the dust of, a 2.7 grand cherokee for on the road manners and turn of speed.
Have to be quite blunt, if isuzu need to employ a sports car company to bring handling up to the point achieved by most bog standard trucks (unless its just a gimmick?), theres not much point in the academic difference in grunt anyway.
;)
One truck i really did like when i had a shot was an amazon :thumb2:naughty
cant say the volvo amazon lights me up :lol:lol:lol
how does having the road handling tuned by lotus make any difference at all, also this was only for the Japanese market.
right hold on here
how many Companies have taken the t2 as a car to sell ??? what nissan and ford bout it really aint it
now the trooper, vauxhall, Subaru, isuzu, acura, honda, holden and chevrolet
also the trooper has actually won rallies and Australian safari's unlike the t2
the t2 is a great 4x4 but in no way superior to any part time 4x4
so have you got a link for the engine specs of the "Horn" and then we can work out a power to weight ratio. Just for fun of course!
the best i can find is this - http://carinfo.autold.com/car-isuzu_bighorn-31-td-long-ls.html
and yor right the "horn" has 12 more horse powers than the standard 3.1, but still less than my TDI and a lot heavier!
already put a link up
horn has 133bhp with 294nm of torq
you link is for the ls version mine is the lotus se
http://www.cars-directory.net/specs/isuzu/bighorn/1995_6/13544/
this thread is becoming nearly as exciting as the darts world championship :naughty
just for reference here is the list of bighorns made in 1995-96
http://www.cars-directory.net/specs/isuzu/bighorn/1995_6/
so my horn sits at 66bhp per ton
t2 tdi come in at 64.7 bhp per ton
right towing capacity of the t2 is 2800kg and 3500kg for the horn
I know its a Nissan forum but I wouldn't go buying a 94 LWB truck with intermittent 4wd problems for the best part of a grand for off-road use and leave a solid swb 4x4 that seems in great mechanical order and perfect for off-road use sitting in the drive. A truck that nice deserves to be drrrriiivvvvvvveeennnnn :sly :sly
Had a 3.0 Isuzu,went very well - for about 3 months then the High pressure oil pump started leaking,and then,and then !Gone it has,far away.
But in a past life I had two Isuzu pick ups,a 1.9 and 2.5 non turbo.Indestructable.
makeitfit
19-12-2010, 23:57
I dont know about on road stuff but OFF ROAD my Mav will P all over a Trooper:D
A mate of ours has one with some fancy suspension lift from the states, and although it's got loads of grunt, it still hasn't got enough to get it out of the rough stuff compared to me Mav. Just my observation:)
T2 with fuel chip is cheap fun:rolleyes: Put some decent seats in and sorted:cool:
i think the clue is in the title of the forum ... the nissan 4x4 owners club ... i doubt very much that you will find many that will knock the nissans on this forum , with due respect karl .
Lads...
Start another thread on this ISUZU $hit pls :o :augie
Get back on topic :rolleyes:
Would you swap the Pajero for the Terrano " if " its just the hubs :confused:
NO cash involved.
If its just the hubs a straight swap is fine by me even though I know the Terrano in A1 condition isn't worth nowhere near as much as me Pajero.
Lads...
Start another thread on this ISUZU $hit pls :o :augie
Get back on topic :rolleyes:
Would you swap the Pajero for the Terrano " if " its just the hubs :confused:
NO cash involved.
If its just the hubs a straight swap is fine by me even though I know the Terrano in A1 condition isn't worth nowhere near as much as me Pajero.
personally i wouldnt , but thats just me , keep dirty frog for your hobbies
solarman216
20-12-2010, 00:10
All I can say is my 2.4 petrol T2 has not been anywhere near stopped by anything it has faced so far and all the horses and all the torque will be of no use if it cannot be put to the ground, Rick
I dont know about on road stuff but OFF ROAD my Mav will P all over a Trooper:D
A mate of ours has one with some fancy suspension lift from the states, and although it's got loads of grunt, it still hasn't got enough to get it out of the rough stuff compared to me Mav. Just my observation:)
T2 with fuel chip is cheap fun:rolleyes: Put some decent seats in and sorted:cool:
i dont know the off road side of it tb has i haven't bee to a play and play site in the trooper
althou where i killed the mav the horn would have survived
lane wise the horn has a bumpier ride as it has hard suspension but it has gone the same places as the mav and has done it the same as the mav
but also bear in mind you lot are talking tdi's and i had a td mav
the horn will sit on the motorway at 70mph (sat nav speed ) at around 2500rpm the mav wouldnt have been happy doing this speed.
i like the mav but i would prefer a land cruiser
Lads...
Start another thread on this ISUZU $hit pls :o :augie
Get back on topic :rolleyes:
Would you swap the Pajero for the Terrano " if " its just the hubs :confused:
NO cash involved.
If its just the hubs a straight swap is fine by me even though I know the Terrano in A1 condition isn't worth nowhere near as much as me Pajero.
answer no i wouldn't personally
i think the clue is in the title of the forum ... the nissan 4x4 owners club ... i doubt very much that you will find many that will knock the nissans on this forum , with due respect karl .
no one's knocking the t2 :thumb2
makeitfit
20-12-2010, 00:17
the horn will sit on the motorway at 70mph (sat nav speed ) at around 2500rpm the mav wouldnt have been happy doing this speed.
I think that's where the fuel chip makes such a huge difference. I'll cruise at 70 on my big wheels happily at 2500 too, in 5th and it still has the clout to pull away at will in that gear.
I think it's Timbo that said the T2 is terribly underfueled:o
"Landcruiser" mmm nice choice, better than a Paj. ;)
if your paj was a auto , and lwb i may have been interested in a trade myself adz ,purely for the fact that my new wheelchair is a bit bigger than my old one and i could do with a bit more space in the back to put it in , question is though the accesability . ie height for me getting in and out of it , thats one of the reasons my mistral is perfect .
I think that's where the fuel chip makes such a huge difference. I'll cruise at 70 on my big wheels happily at 2500 too, in 5th and it still has the clout to pull away at will in that gear.
I think it's Timbo that said the T2 is terribly underfueled:o
"Landcruiser" mmm nice choice, better than a Paj. ;)
i would think the chip makes a bit of difference lol
i just found i can up my turbo from 8psi to 20 psi without messing with the pump :naughty:naughty:naughty
Lads...
Start another thread on this ISUZU $hit pls :o :augie
Get back on topic :rolleyes:
Would you swap the Pajero for the Terrano " if " its just the hubs :confused:
NO cash involved.
If its just the hubs a straight swap is fine by me even though I know the Terrano in A1 condition isn't worth nowhere near as much as me Pajero.
If the Terrano in A1 condition aint worth anywhere near as much as the pajero then I for one definately would not swap it. If you'r definately looking to swap or move on the pajero to get a terrano then why not try putting up the pajero on the classified section here and invite offers of cash or swap. If you don't have the heart to off-road the pajero I bet there are others here who would love to get hold of that particular model pajeo for off-road use.
if your paj was a auto , and lwb i may have been interested in a trade myself adz ,purely for the fact that my new wheelchair is a bit bigger than my old one and i could do with a bit more space in the back to put it in , question is though the accesability . ie height for me getting in and out of it , thats one of the reasons my mistral is perfect .
you dont want the lwb mk1 it is completely different to the swb i would never advise getting the lwb one
makeitfit
20-12-2010, 00:23
i would think the chip makes a bit of difference lol
i just found i can up my turbo from 8psi to 20 psi without messing with the pump :naughty:naughty:naughty
So will that boost more fuel in too :naughty
I'm running 15 PSI at the mo:cool:
So will that boost more fuel in too :naughty
I'm running 15 PSI at the mo:cool:
thats what i am thinking any way
still trying to talk my self out of aussie lockers :doh
makeitfit
20-12-2010, 00:38
thats what i am thinking any way
still trying to talk my self out of aussie lockers :doh
Well if it does fuel up THEN you'll have a power house :sly
I'm trying to get 300 squid spare without the wife finding it so I can get my LOKKA for the front of mine.
It'll be the mutts then :naughty
makeitfit
20-12-2010, 00:41
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Just read the start of this thread , OOPS :rolleyes:
I say keep the Paj. till after crimbo then flog it.
1000 is too much for a 94 terrano me thionks:thumbs
Well if it does fuel up THEN you'll have a power house :sly
I'm trying to get 300 squid spare without the wife finding it so I can get my LOKKA for the front of mine.
It'll be the mutts then :naughty
it will fuel up just soem screws at the back to screw in lol
have to drop the twin egr valves tho
just got a price on a 2.5" power flow with fre flow silencer £280 :naughty:naughty:naughty:naughty
Just read the start of this thread , OOPS :rolleyes:
I say keep the Paj. till after crimbo then flog it.
1000 is too much for a 94 terrano me thionks:thumbs
:doh
:banghead
:augie
:lol
I'll make me mind up tomorrow :rolleyes:
Do the turbo 1st thing, then get 24hrs insurance cover on the Pajero then go have a look i suppose :rolleyes:
Be spur of the moment as normal with me :doh
If it is a mint 1 & its only the hubs then i think i will swap :o
adz, i cant see why you would want to swap your pajero for the maverick, mavs not in the same league mate. :rolleyes:
spiderpig37
20-12-2010, 06:40
something a bit left field
stick a turbo on dirty frog flog the paj you hinted after a 90 how about bobtailing a three door series one disco with the 200tdi you then get the 100 inch chassis and a lot more comfort than a 90. Whilst youve got the back cut off chnge the sills for 3 inch box sections and youve got some nice rock sliders.
dont know what its like down your way but 90/110 tend to get nicked all the time up here:nenau
cheers Andy
WOOOHHHOOOOO
Dirty frog lives - my son will be over the moon he loves the dirty frog.
paulp
ps Adz upto date piccies please as the last time he see it was @ the services in Brentwood when u fitted the flashy sidelights
WOOOHHHOOOOO
Dirty frog lives - my son will be over the moon he loves the dirty frog.
paulp
ps Adz upto date piccies please as the last time he see it was @ the services in Brentwood when u fitted the flashy sidelights
I'll get some up after Crimbo :thumbs
The Pajero after driving it all of 3 miles from me mates garage to me mum & dads is most certainly NOT going anywhere :D Its bloody lovely to drive & wont see any mud until it fails an mot badly which will be a long way off :thumbs
(RIP) PLANK
20-12-2010, 15:20
already put a link up
horn has 133bhp with 294nm of torq
you link is for the ls version mine is the lotus se
http://www.cars-directory.net/specs/isuzu/bighorn/1995_6/13544/
the site you quote puts my tdi ad 130 hp (so maybe a different calculation as its a non Uk site?) SO lets assume they are both accurate you have 3 HP advantage a lot more body weight and lousy hadling, I'll still give you a race :lol
I'm with Dave D i have owned a lot of troopers, and i used to love the old 2.8 (which odly is the same output power as the standard 3.1) but gave up after the disapointing 3.1's and the dissasterous 3.0 ended my love of Isuzu.
DaveD - I htink the Lotus thing was an exchange, Lotus used an Isuzu engine (from the Piazza Turbo I think) for one of their models at the time. I think it was a technology exchange. But to be honest in every day driving of the two models I couldn't tell any real difference. Bear in mind we had them a fe years back when they were newer and with less miles so closer to the way they cam out of the factory.
the site you quote puts my tdi ad 130 hp (so maybe a different calculation as its a non Uk site?) SO lets assume they are both accurate you have 3 HP advantage a lot more body weight and lousy hadling, I'll still give you a race :lol
I'm with Dave D i have owned a lot of troopers, and i used to love the old 2.8 (which odly is the same output power as the standard 3.1) but gave up after the disapointing 3.1's and the dissasterous 3.0 ended my love of Isuzu.
DaveD - I htink the Lotus thing was an exchange, Lotus used an Isuzu engine (from the Piazza Turbo I think) for one of their models at the time. I think it was a technology exchange. But to be honest in every day driving of the two models I couldn't tell any real difference. Bear in mind we had them a fe years back when they were newer and with less miles so closer to the way they cam out of the factory.
just had a look at the mistrel (guess thats the one you was looking at) 130bhp at 4000 rpm :eek:
mines 133 at 3000rpm
also bear in mind the mistrel is more powerful than the english version like for like :augie
(RIP) PLANK
20-12-2010, 17:27
just had a look at the mistrel (guess thats the one you was looking at) 130bhp at 4000 rpm :eek:
mines 133 at 3000rpm
also bear in mind the mistrel is more powerful than the english version like for like :augie
no mate i found a 2.7 tdi terrano, but bare inmind the mistrals were all TD and were (when you drove them) slower than a manual T2, Mine is a TDI so if they ae rating a TD mistral at 130 then mine would - by there calculations- be over 156 bhp. I think they have and odd way of calculating this. I found an English site that rates mine at 126, (which i beleive they are) and your Bighorn at 125, so either way ther ain't much int it!
As for the weight, there are some od things going on with Izuzu weight classes (as published) When taking of road modded troopers for MOT we used to have to get them tested on a weigh bridge to sort out the breaking efficiancy as the published figures are way out and can lead to brake failure (MOT wise) when they are in fact perfectly allright - this mostly affected the back brakes on Troopers with oversized tyres.
no mate i found a 2.7 tdi terrano, but bare inmind the mistrals were all TD and were (when you drove them) slower than a manual T2, Mine is a TDI so if they ae rating a TD mistral at 130 then mine would - by there calculations- be over 156 bhp. I think they have and odd way of calculating this. I found an English site that rates mine at 126, (which i beleive they are) and your Bighorn at 125, so either way ther ain't much int it!
As for the weight, there are some od things going on with Izuzu weight classes (as published) When taking of road modded troopers for MOT we used to have to get them tested on a weigh bridge to sort out the breaking efficiancy as the published figures are way out and can lead to brake failure (MOT wise) when they are in fact perfectly allright - this mostly affected the back brakes on Troopers with oversized tyres.
according to that site they have a tdi version of the mistrel only made from 97-99
http://specs.cars-directory.net/nissan/mistral/2.7DT_Type_X_19138.html
i cant find any uk sites with the bighorn se power specs :nenau i can find the trooper but they didnt do an se, only duty and citation (which is the irish spec with a spoiler)
i think its due to all the extras they have so their is odd weights etc
i find it strange that i have 3 different brake units with the rears having disks and drums :doh extra to spend lol
the mistrel is quicker than the td manual top end wise also the td version had a 100bhp over the 98 of the uk spec ones
also i think the mistrel is slightly heavier then the uk spec
i will stand up and say in the wet the mav was more fun with the back end loosing grip when you wanted it to havnt been able to do the same in mine, but the horn is a nice comfy place to sit compared to my mav as they were both the same age, the newer ones may have been better equipped i dont know
age for age the horn is a little more advanced than the 95 mav/t2, just a shame they let GM play with the 3.0 as it did have the makings of a good engine, but the injectors mashed the whole thing up from leaking diesel into the oil making the engine go bang to the failure of said injectors in some cases under 10,000 miles was a real poor show from isuzu.
but isuzu will still take in the old one time and time again to repair the damage
in one case isuzu has given a new engine to one even when they had the recall done due to injector failure and that was one of the earlier ones :thumb2
no mate i found a 2.7 tdi terrano, but bare inmind the mistrals were all TD and were (when you drove them) slower than a manual T2, Mine is a TDI so if they ae rating a TD mistral at 130 then mine would - by there calculations- be over 156 bhp. I think they have and odd way of calculating this. I found an English site that rates mine at 126, (which i beleive they are) and your Bighorn at 125, so either way ther ain't much int it!
As for the weight, there are some od things going on with Izuzu weight classes (as published) When taking of road modded troopers for MOT we used to have to get them tested on a weigh bridge to sort out the breaking efficiancy as the published figures are way out and can lead to brake failure (MOT wise) when they are in fact perfectly allright - this mostly affected the back brakes on Troopers with oversized tyres.
also the ones at the terrano is the Terrano 2.7DT R3m not the uk spec ones as these are the imports as well :thumbs
according to that site they have a tdi version of the mistrel only made from 97-99
http://specs.cars-directory.net/nissan/mistral/2.7DT_Type_X_19138.html
i cant find any uk sites with the bighorn se power specs :nenau i can find the trooper but they didnt do an se, only duty and citation (which is the irish spec with a spoiler)
i think its due to all the extras they have so their is odd weights etc
i find it strange that i have 3 different brake units with the rears having disks and drums :doh extra to spend lol
the mistrel is quicker than the td manual top end wise also the td version had a 100bhp over the 98 of the uk spec ones
also i think the mistrel is slightly heavier then the uk spec
i will stand up and say in the wet the mav was more fun with the back end loosing grip when you wanted it to havnt been able to do the same in mine, but the horn is a nice comfy place to sit compared to my mav as they were both the same age, the newer ones may have been better equipped i dont know
age for age the horn is a little more advanced than the 95 mav/t2, just a shame they let GM play with the 3.0 as it did have the makings of a good engine, but the injectors mashed the whole thing up from leaking diesel into the oil making the engine go bang to the failure of said injectors in some cases under 10,000 miles was a real poor show from isuzu.
but isuzu will still take in the old one time and time again to repair the damage
in one case isuzu has given a new engine to one even when they had the recall done due to injector failure and that was one of the earlier ones :thumb2
yakkerman has a tdi mistral
(RIP) PLANK
20-12-2010, 18:06
so i htink we can safely say you have never owned or driven a Mistral?
or a TDI T2?
rest my case!
your Troper may be streets ahead of your TD t2 for the same age, but to me they have a feeling of fadded grandure, shabby chique of you like. The feeling of a seedy old Authur Daley jag to smoke your cigar in and feel like your doing well. Where as the TDI T2 does feel youg and alert and nippy, and driving the two - the T2 feels like a GTI - and the Trooper (as i said) like wallowing old jag. but that's based on ownership and experience not web site reviews.
by the way does yours have a rear LSD as most of them didn't and the back brakes (as you say) are a pain!
so i htink we can safely say you have never owned or driven a Mistral?
or a TDI T2?
rest my case!
your Troper may be streets ahead of your TD t2 for the same age, but to me they have a feeling of fadded grandure, shabby chique of you like. The feeling of a seedy old Authur Daley jag to smoke your cigar in and feel like your doing well. Where as the TDI T2 does feel youg and alert and nippy, and driving the two - the T2 feels like a GTI - and the Trooper (as i said) like wallowing old jag. but that's based on ownership and experience not web site reviews.
by the way does yours have a rear LSD as most of them didn't and the back brakes (as you say) are a pain!
yes mine has the lsd still wont kick out might be down to the auto box
i havnt driven a mistrel
but i have driven an early tdi from 97 befor i bought the mav and thought their wasnt alot of difference in the 2 apart from more power from the tdi, the one i drove only had electric windows in the front and winders in the back where as mine had electric windows all round
:banghead :surrender
stop waving your undies in the air lol :doh
you didnt need the thread any more as you already made the correct choice :thumb2
i even opened a thread for all this :thumbs
So lets let this 1 lay to rest :thumbs :augie
(RIP) PLANK
20-12-2010, 18:50
yes mine has the lsd still wont kick out might be down to the auto box
i havnt driven a mistrel
but i have driven an early tdi from 97 befor i bought the mav and thought their wasnt alot of difference in the 2 apart from more power from the tdi, the one i drove only had electric windows in the front and winders in the back where as mine had electric windows all round
you got me there i don't have any back windows :lol
lets keep this to the other thread before we give poor Adz a break down :thumb2
lets keep this to the other thread before we give poor Adz a break down :thumb2
:clap :thumbs :augie :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Deleted account DD
20-12-2010, 21:41
how does having the road handling tuned by lotus make any difference at all, also this was only for the Japanese market.
errrrrrr.........isnt thats one part they tweaked (or is certainly different to standard) ?:nenau I always understood the suspension on a vehicle affected it quite a bit. I suppose if you drilled a hole through one shocker and cut your front springs in half you would see what I mean about the difference ;)
and it doesnt matter about the japanese market, youre using it in the Uk.....arent you ?
your Troper may be streets ahead of your TD t2 for the same age, but to me they have a feeling of fadded grandure, shabby chique of you like. The feeling of a seedy old Authur Daley jag to smoke your cigar in and feel like your doing well. Where as the TDI T2 does feel youg and alert and nippy, and driving the two - the T2 feels like a GTI - and the Trooper (as i said) like wallowing old jag. but that's based on ownership and experience not web site reviews.
:thumb2
:jesterbg
errrrrrr.........isnt thats one part they tweaked (or is certainly different to standard) ?:nenau I always understood the suspension on a vehicle affected it quite a bit. I suppose if you drilled a hole through one shocker and cut your front springs in half you would see what I mean about the difference ;)
and it doesnt matter about the japanese market, youre using it in the Uk.....arent you ?
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:jesterbg
cause it matters about the jap market it wasnt built for the British market
same as how jeep turned to the germans to build them a quality vehicle but choose the wrong one :lol:lol
Deleted account DD
20-12-2010, 22:35
cause it matters about the jap market it wasnt built for the British market
but youre using it on the british roads :doh:doh:doh doesnt matter where it started off.
If theres no difference between lotus and non lotus versions then your little flower is wearing its badges without justification. A barge handling standard trooper in a pretty frock. What a tart.
same as how jeep turned to the germans to build them a quality vehicle but choose the wrong one :lol:lol
out of interest jeep didnt turn to the germans :doh
but youre using it on the british roads :doh:doh:doh doesnt matter where it started off.
If theres no difference between lotus and non lotus versions then your little flower is wearing its badges without justification. A barge handling standard trooper in a pretty frock. What a tart.
out of interest jeep didnt turn to the germans :doh
ok so which company nearly went bust then was it Daimler-Chrysler or was it mercedes that needed the bail out
out of interest jeep didnt turn to the germans :doh
no i see Chrysler was bought by the germans
Deleted account DD
20-12-2010, 23:12
ok so which company nearly went bust then was it Daimler-Chrysler or was it mercedes that needed the bail out
will the answer alter your life ? unlikely, other than when you see a 2002 jeep whizz past and realise they got it right in austria then ;) :thumb2
Deleted account DD
20-12-2010, 23:14
anyway adz, what are you gong to do?
Dirty Frog fights to see another day :D
( blocked air intake :o :doh )
Pajero is staying & will never see mud or a tow bar :D
Want to get another non intercooled SWB Terrano / Maverick as a back up :augie
Want a 90 :rolleyes:
Fancy a Jeep :naughty
Boyz n r toyz :lol
why not sell the lot and buy an amazon
(RIP) PLANK
20-12-2010, 23:39
and back on thread, a wise choice Adz, whe i first joined in i didn;t realise you already owned the Mitsubishi! It's nice to have two different vehicles so you can have a bit of a change.
But it's a waste to have a 4x4 with no tow bar :thumb2
and back on thread, a wise choice Adz, whe i first joined in i didn;t realise you already owned the Mitsubishi! It's nice to have two different vehicles so you can have a bit of a change.
But it's a waste to have a 4x4 with no tow bar :thumb2
Gonna put 1 on it for :rolleyes: :augie :o :o :o a tin tent :o :eek: :doh For when i goto Wales & Kirton Off Road Centre :thumbs
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